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vladvasiliu 4 hours ago

IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client.

Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me.

I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job well done!

thewebguyd 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one

There are some people that use Outlook for...well I'm not sure what but things that go way beyond email and calendar. I've been using the web app for several years now, it's fine. When I was new in IT, I always struggled to see what the big deal was with Outlook desktop. The web mail has folders, rules, shared mailbox support, integrated calendar, etc.

What more do you need out of email?

Well, turns out a lot. People treat email has a permanent data store. I've encountered folks with multiple PST files archiving 10+ years of email. I ran into people that needed to queue up a bunch of offline emails in their outbox to send when they're on network again (ok, I kind of get this use case), and I came across all manner of horrors of COM Add-ins.

Anyway, the root of the problem is people using email for everything it was never intended to do or be. If "new" Outlook can break some of those habits, we'll all be better off for it.

impendia 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> People treat email has a permanent data store.

Is this strange?

I'll be trying to solve some problem, half-remember an email conversation from several years ago on something relevant, and want to look it up.

This feels like the most natural thing in the world to me, and it's not like the ability to save emails is new. Why, exactly, would a forced change of habits be for my own good?

esikich an hour ago | parent [-]

No, not conversations, actual data. Think reports, invoices, large PDFs, etc. Emailing files to yourself, that sort of thing. Then they end up with multiple PSTs.

rescbr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I very much prefer Outlook's indexing compared to Sharepoint's shitty UI and search capabilities.

thewebguyd 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

I mean, yeah if your choice is between Email or SharePoint, email wins every time.

But I've seen enough corrupted PST files in my days to never trust Outlook/Exchange as permanent file storage.

Now with "New" Outlook you don't even get that, you get an ODT cache file, everything else is permanently server side in Microsoft land.

Enterprise "productivity" software is fundamentally broken.

pm3003 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not even counting Sharepoint syncs...

jerlam 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty much any app that's been around a while will have all kinds of advanced features that the average user will never use, and eventually becomes detrimental. Hence there's always a group of users and product managers asking to rewrite the app to focus on "the basics".

There's all flavors of "lite" apps and Firefox started as a stripped down version of Netscape.

A lot of older email apps have a prominent "offline" mode that if you accidentally activate it, basically stops the app from sending or receiving any email. I guess a lot of executives demanded the feature because they were handling all their email while on a plane without connectivity.

x______________ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>and I came across all manner of horrors of COM Add-ins.

It works both ways, I ran into a situation where a random Add-in was enabled on the web client and affecting the desktop client behavior despite not being in the list of Add-ins, and could only be disabled from the web client.

KetoManx64 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Outlook COM addons + AutoHotKey was one of the ways that I learned programming back in the day. Email arrives > check the sender > if sender is $company > check for keywords and then run excel macros based on that > generate PDF report and automatically generate an outlook email, attach and send the file.

Good times, it feels like we're getting less and less flexible with the hackability of our corporate workflows as time goes on.

emeril an hour ago | parent [-]

so true - I use some outlook vba to send mass emails programmatically

CamperBob2 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyway, the root of the problem is people using email for everything it was never intended to do or be. If "new" Outlook can break some of those habits, we'll all be better off for it.

If ever there was a recipe for doing a terrible job at building software, that's as good a way to put it as I think we will ever see.

theeyescanner an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah this is pretty much the only thing protecting us from Records Retention Policy(tm). Because the legal office thinks discovery is toooooooo risky, we have to delete all of the information we used to develop long lived business processes.

When I wrote this god and I understood it, now god only knows.

cagey 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

The last [US] BigCorp I worked for deployed (in Outlook) automatic deletion of all emails older than their Records Retention threshold. It was incredibly frustrating to have essentially all design/rationale history (from the key players involved) go into the auto-shredder with nobody but me caring. The only workarounds that could avoid the auto-shredder were enormously labor intensive, and of course, debatably violated Record Retention policy.

patates 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Funny enough, COM is still the fastest way to read calendar data.

pishpash 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More like email became stripped down and no longer what it was. Mailboxes were always a permanent data store, there were mail files on disk.

warumdarum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A self sorting shield against to much information if you are at the hub of some organization..

jen20 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> People treat email has a permanent data store.

Email the protocol has this built in.

> If "new" Outlook can break some of those habits, we'll all be better off for it.

It won't, since email is in fact the best data store available to most people in enterprises (especially compared to things like Sharepoint). It might finally accelerate the move away from Exchange though. Here's hoping.

antaviana 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Public Folders is what makes us stick with the old Outlook client. For 25 years Public Folder has been a simple drag and drop, hierarchical archive system for communications with clients and vendors at team level.

Jcampuzano2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same experience when I worked somewhere using outlook.

I exclusively used the web UI because it always ran faster for me, except for a small number of things it couldn't do.

mystifyingpoi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same experience here. Web version works just fine.

number6 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even their Office Suite runs okay in the Web. For heavy lifting, like getting an md file into our Corporate Design, I still use libreoffice combned with our template.