| ▲ | bastawhiz 7 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||
I go to the doctor every year for a checkup without symptoms. Why a year? Why not every six months? Two weeks? Day? If the false positive rate is demonstrably low, I can't see the risk. People who think they need a doctor will go to a doctor with or without a fancy scan. People who want to play armchair physician will play armchair physician with or without a fancy scan. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Aurornis 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> If the false positive rate is demonstrably low, I can't see the risk The false positive rate is the entire risk. When you go to the doctor for a physical they don't run all of the blood tests they can. They only run them for specific symptoms and for specific preventative measures where we've calculated that the benefits outweigh the risks of a false positive. Some tests have been removed from routine exams, or at least discouraged, because they were producing more false positives and harm than what they were saving. Full body scans are deep on the end of the spectrum of tests with high false positive rate when ordered without supporting symptoms. That's the risk. > People who think they need a doctor will go to a doctor with or without a fancy scan. People who want to play armchair physician will play armchair physician with or without a fancy scan. Not really how it works in real life. When you get a full body scan, especially with ultrasound, there are a lot of benign things that can show up that vaguely look like non-benign things. Even if the interpretation is "probably nothing", many people start worrying and think they need to get more tests just to be safe. Even people who don't see themselves as "armchair physician" will start thinking that they should at least rule out the worst case because they wouldn't want to die of cancer having known that something might have been there. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bonsai_spool 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
You can get scans without your normal doctor recommending them. The point is that there is evidence that scans obtained ‘just because’ are harmful as they lead to unnecessary procedures at the population level | |||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | nemomarx 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
How do you get the false positive rate low? There's a lot of things that look weird on a scan that turn out to be benign. And if you tell patients "well the chance this turns into a serious disease or cancer is low but you can get this optional procedure to fix it now if you want" how many do you think will take them up on it? A new chargeable procedure is for for the hospital but maybe not for patients imo. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | grey-area 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Why do you do it at all? Many countries with far better outcomes don’t do this, is it necessary, or is it just the product of an insurance-driven health industry which prioritises interventions over health? | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jibal 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> If the false positive rate is demonstrably low Regardless of how accurate a test is, by Bayes Theorem if it's done on enough healthy people the false positives will swamp the true positives. | |||||||||||||||||