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jdw64 8 hours ago

Why is everyone so negative about this? Getting a CT or X-ray and then having AI do early screening on cases that doctors can pass along doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

ajyoon 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People are responding negatively to what looks very much like vaporware from a company stepping way outside its domain into medical imaging with a bizarrely positioned announcement post. Medical imaging is a very active field of research with many brilliant minds working on it. If this were truly an MRI killer, they would not be announcing it as a spa.

jdw64 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

After reading to what you said and thinking about it seriously, I do think there were some parts that were too unrealistic. I considered a few things, such as whether the cost of data transmission during streaming, that is, the cost of constructing an entire human body from this single slice, is actually reasonable. Thanks for your comment.

jdw64 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When I think of 'YAMAHA's case, I believe they can fully realize their own ideas. These people are mainly experts in image-related fields, right? And we're talking about image AI—which, in practice, needs to recognize the characteristics of objects—so it seems to me that it's a fairly relevant field. But since you're more of an expert than I am, your opinion probably carries more weight.

tptacek 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is in fact very probably a bad idea. A good search term here is "incidentaloma". The balance of evidence currently appears to suggest that full body scans for asymptomatic patients are a net negative for health.

abtinf 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Those claims are extremely suspect and completely support the current rationing and power structure of healthcare.

But, even granting they could be true, they would be true under the status quo.

Sure, a one off full body scan might be scary and lead to unnecessary action. But if a technology of the sort being described here were to exist, you would just get daily (or more frequent) scans to monitor the situation. Is that tumor actually growing or is it just a transient thing your immune system is dealing with? Way easier to tell if imaging is cheap, fast, and frequent.

And then there is the data.

No one knows what is actually going on in our bodies. If we had the ability to do billions of scans, imagine the longitudinal studies that could be performed.

It would radically alter medicine.

nihonde 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How brainwashed by the healthcare machine do you have to be to think that catching asymptomatic medical issues is a bad thing? The argument against is literally:

- patients will worry too much, and - it will cost time and money to investigate.

Both spurious rationales cooked up by an industry that is at least as hostile to humanity as it is helpful.

tptacek 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, it's the healthcare industry's fault, they're brainwashing me into not getting more procedures. Sounds very plausible.

nihonde 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Insurance companies dislike paying for procedures instead of passively collecting premiums. Not sure how you missed that.

throwawayben 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

couldn't it be different when scanning becomes very cheap and quick and it's the delta over n scans that gives signal?

jdw64 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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nonethewiser 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because a lot of the hatred for AI is just hysteria.