DeepSeek rose to fame through stolen IP from U.S., and created shell companies to bypass U.S. law. Typical CCP-inspired behavior. The free world needs protection from abusers.

I'm sure there's a ton of other abuses they've committed as they race to become China's preferred LLM.

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janalsncm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

OpenAI and Anthropic also rose to fame from stolen IP from the US.

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settl...

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hereme888 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's the key difference: from the U.S.

The primary goal is growth of wealth and power for the country, and close loopholes whereby enemy nations steal even more from America.

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janalsncm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Your original comment implied that stealing American IP and creating shell companies is “CCP-inspired behavior”. This suggests there is some high minded Rule of Law based justification.

Now you are saying that stealing IP was never the problem, and actually the issue is anything that stands in the way of the US gaining wealth and power.

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hereme888 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Theft is theft. My argument is re: the White House's actions.

	▲	inigyou 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Theft is theft, and copyright infringement is copyright infringement, which is distinct from theft.

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adventured 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I assume you're not confused about the fact that DeepSeek winning would be against US self-interest, and the thriving of OpenAI + Anthropic domestically and globally is very much in the national interest of the US.

Even if both groups did exactly the same thing, it would be irrational for the US to not bias itself in favor of its own businesses.

	▲	alphager 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		There's bias and then there's ignoring all of your own laws when it's convenient.
	▲	janalsncm 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think you meant to reply to the comment I replied to.

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roenxi 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US should consider legalising some of this stuff, if I look at a leaderboard something like the top-10 models are built by companies facing serious accusations of copyright infringement. I assume the Europeans are obeying the law or whatever which is why they've so far only achieved peak-2024 performance or whatever and are making no particular contribution to the cutting edge, unlike the Americans and the Asians.

Come again how these laws are promoting useful results? They seem to be economically crippling. The free world should consider embracing freedom from these laws as it seems that will bring greater prosperity.

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inigyou 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So did OpenAI, we should ban it

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saintfire 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I can't tell if this is satire.

DeepSeek did the same thing the american companies did on a much smaller scale.

They took the output of one company and trained a model.

American companies took the output of all IP they could illegally* acquire and trained a model.

The world does need protection from abusers, you're right.

EDIT: illegal in some cases (see 82TB of torrented ebooks), immoral in most.