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agumonkey 7 hours ago

    russia: brain drain
    usa: brain drain
where is everybody going ?
toofy 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

the things i’ve read say primarily western european countries and a distant second being various southeast asian countries.

my guess is southeast asia may overtake europe in a decade or so considering how wildly popular asian culture is with teenagers.

AlexCoventry 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Canada, Europe, China.

383toast 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

not much talent is going from US to Canada, it's almost always the reverse if you look at top canadian universities

SideQuark 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Here’s evidence from 2025. 2026 has increased.

https://www.aau.edu/sites/default/files/Resources-American-S...

plaidthunder 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

US citizen moves to Canada on a CUSMA visa:

  - 30-50% pay cut

  - points and lottery based immigration system that penalizes them for each year you age after 30

  - frequent unfavorable rule changes

  - fear of being trapped forever on a temporary visa and eventually sent back to the USA, poorer than their peers who stayed stateside.
Canadian citizen moves to us on equivalent CUSMA visa:

  - huge pay raise

  - retire back home wealthier than their peers and still enjoy socialized healthcare.
Canada's immigration system is just structurally tilted toward brain drain. It's all stick and no carrot.
jjtheblunt 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

where in Canada? i've _never_ heard that, but if so, great.

taylodl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Personally, I would go to Toronto. Decades ago I used to work for a Canadian company headquartered in Toronto and had development offices in the states. There was a project I needed to do with a distinguished engineer that required me to move to Toronto for a few months. I really liked it. TBH, there are very few cities in the US that I would say are on par with Toronto, and none are better. Now the Winters are brutal, but they're brutal where I'm from so that's not a dealbreaker for me.

1270018080 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are people really moving to China? A country that will never give outsiders citizenship?

Carioca an hour ago | parent | next [-]

For a country that has been a "brain magnet" for a good century, a "brain drain" might just be "talented people from wherever choosing to go somewhere else".

Case in point: an EE I know who is finishing his master's[1] is considering interesting proposals from solid (but not top tier, think Texas not Massachusetts) universities from the US, Germany and China. While he's afraid of the culture gap with China, it's clearly the one that has the more interesting things going on technically and the one he feels more excited about

[1]Engineering by itself is a bachelor's level degree here

Gigachad 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably more that China is producing more new talent through education, and Chinese scientists and researchers moving back to China.

insane_dreamer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you wouldn't want citizenship anyway; safer to remain a foreigner while living/working there, even long-term

mothballed 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

HK will give you right of abode which is almost as good as citizenship so long as you stay in HK. I suppose you could still be deported for high crimes or some such but that almost seems like the best case scenario if that happens.

cryptoegorophy 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Canada? For lower salary and lower life quality?

vkou 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Higher intangible quality of life, lower spending power.

There are a lot of QOL advantages to living in a less violent, less polarized, less cruelty-driven society that isn't actively trying to dismantle all of its institutions and destroy itself. Especially if you're one of those people who are in the crosshairs of jack-booted thugs and their cheerleaders.

tick_tock_tick 3 hours ago | parent [-]

He said Canada man. If you had other reasonable options when leaving you wouldn't pick it so lets not pretend anyone moving there from the USA didn't fail already.

taylodl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Relocation to the European Union is at all-time highs.

raphlinus 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm in Australia.

BLKNSLVR 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For anyone thinking of migrating to Australia, please add to your considerations the increasing groundswell of conservatism and support for anti-immigration and the very recent proclamations of anti-multiculturalism of the newly popular One Nation party:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Y2wzmKHEU

The next federal election will be interesting as to the direction the Australian public wants to take the country, but it's not due until May 2028.

So either get in before then, or wait until afterwards to gauge your expectations of being welcome.

Having said that, the current Government (less conservative) won the May 2025 Federal election bigly (but maybe not quite a landslide) with 93 seats over the next most popular party at 43 seats, out of a total of 150 seats.

emodendroket 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

But where on the planet are you going to go and escape that?

Nursie an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet despite their majority, Labor still seem reticent to make big changes of the sort people are asking for, and backpedal on their initiatives and promises all over the place.

God I hope Pauline and one nation are just a stupid blip and that poll that put them ahead is a mirage though. She's doing the same bullshit playbook as the UK and US - 'elites' are destroying Australia by driving immigration! Meanwhile the richest woman in Australia is in the background holding the marionette's strings.

defrost 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

She's been doing that for decades with no traction.

What's changed is recently she and her like-wits such as Joyce have abandoned traditional media and gone fully social media and focusing on building an ever growing echo chamber with zero internal examination or pushback on the bigotry.

With much thanks to the Vogon poet Gina Rinehart and GR's new bestie Elon.

HerbManic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And welcome to our little odd ball land. Just remember, if an Aussie offers you a 'Golden Gay Time', take it and you will be pleasantly surprised. ;)

agumonkey 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And do you meet other people who recently moved, or talking about moving there too ?