| ▲ | CPLX 3 days ago |
| That's not the chief advantage, insofar as there is a difference between China, India, and Indonesia, which there is. Their chief advantage has been a coherent, long-running national industrial policy and trade policy that encourages industry while keeping the financial sector from taking over the economy and ripping everybody off. We used to do that too from the late 1930's to the late 1970's, which is why we were the dominant industrial power in the world at that time as well. |
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| ▲ | theevilsharpie 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > We used to do that too from the late 1930's to the late 1970's, which is why we were the dominant industrial power in the world at that time as well. I think there's another world event that happened in that time span that might better explain America's world-wide industrial dominance. |
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| ▲ | CPLX 3 days ago | parent [-] | | You're confusing cause and effect. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | No, they're not. Europe was devastated and bankrupt. Asia was devastated and bankrupt. The US mainland was untouched. It had a massive leg up against the competition. | | |
| ▲ | CPLX 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > explain America's world-wide industrial dominance. > Europe was devastated and bankrupt. Asia was devastated and bankrupt. Well yeah. Because America's world wide industrial dominance soundly beat the shit out of everyone, due to deployment of a highly successful industrial policy. Imagine if we needed to rapidly step up industrial output tomorrow to fight another global war and China was on the other side. How do you think it would go? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > Because America's world wide industrial dominance soundly beat the shit out of everyone, due to deployment of a highly successful industrial policy. That industrial dominance came largely during the war, and was made possible by the fact that they weren't being bombed while it scaled up. There's a huge element of geopolitical luck involved in the rise of the US. > Imagine if we needed to rapidly step up industrial output tomorrow to fight another global war and China was on the other side. How do you think it would go? Horribly! I think they're much more prepared for such a thing. | | |
| ▲ | CPLX 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Well then we agree, that their industrial policy is working a little better than ours. Which was the original point. They don't let western businesses overwhelm their domestic industry at all. For us to let them do it to us would be unilateral disarmament and suicide. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > Well then we agree, that their industrial policy is working a little better than ours. Yes! Their car industry is competing; ours is hoping to avoid it. You now understand my point and objection to preserving domestic capacity via selling worse cars more expensively to its own citizens. | | |
| ▲ | CPLX 3 days ago | parent [-] | | No I don't understand your objection. My argument is that preserving domestic capacity is necessary for our survival, and that limiting imports is necessary but insufficient to achieve that goal. Banning stock buybacks would be another helpful step. Can you imagine being at the helm of a major US automaker as the transition to electric is happening and thinking you have no better investment to make in your own company than literally taking the revenue you're earning and sending it to hedge funds and Wall Street? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > My argument is that preserving domestic capacity is necessary for our survival… And my point is that's only the case if said capacity is effective. Protectionism does not lead to effective industrial capacity. It leads to the Ford Pinto. > Banning stock buybacks would be another helpful step. I'm all for this! | | |
| ▲ | CPLX 3 days ago | parent [-] | | We agree on quite a bit. You're wrong about protectionism though. It is an essential part of industrial policy and heavily employed by every industrial powerhouse country including Japan, China, Germany, and yes the US. China uses it extensively and it's a core pillar of why they are now the center of world industry. The long running argument to the contrary is better understood as propaganda by the financial sector. |
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| ▲ | i_idiot 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I wouldn't consider India. It's been plagued by protectionism and tariffs and won't achieve anything close to China any time soon. The only industry of value for its people which is software services is now crumbling with AI created in US and China.
Edit: probably your point too and I misread |
