China does not think llms are a matter of national security, they aren't as brain broken as the west.

That's 100% untrue lmao.

aerhardt 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm sure they think of them as a matter of national security, because they think of everything as a matter of national security, but a few analysts I respect say that the mood there is not nearly as AGI-pilled, and I have no trouble believing that.

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dakolli 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

China is far more focused on robotics. Deepseek is largely bootstrapped by the hedge fund that developed it. They received a grant from the government of China, and recently an investment. Imagine thinking text autocomplete is a matter of national security.

China will flood the west with affordable robotics and watch the West eat itself alive. They know Western capital owners are so greedy they'll screw over their entire society to chase a buck and replace labor..

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wagwang 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course its a matter of national security if there are military applications. The point of robotics is also weird because they've already widely adopted robotics within their own manufacturing and also America already replaced the majority of their labor by offshoring so I dont know how they would destroy american society by introducing robotics.

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dakolli 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Show me, Chinese are not replacing their manufacturing with robots. You can't just say things off vibes alone because you think it sounds right. You're just making shit up off the top of your tongue. Show me where Chinese are replacing manufacturing labor with robots, please show me?

	▲	wagwang 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		China literally has the most advanced dark factories in the world https://www.ien.com/redzone/blog/22948773/the-tech-enabling-... Even in their lights on factories they use robotics enmasse, you think they're just selling the arms? Also every single manufacturer in the world is constantly trying to automate their lines so nothing I'm saying is even controversial?

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sarjann 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Text autocomplete can write code, carry out actions (tool calls) and launch cyber attacks. It very much is a matter of national security.

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dakolli 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You're actually delusional if you think cyber capabilities of nation states have increased by the development of llms..

	▲	papascrubs 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I don't work for a nation state, but I work for a large financial that requires adversarial testing and it's absolutely increased the ability to operate and attack these environments. The floor is definitely easier to reach at a minimum. Vulns and 0days are far easier to exploit, time to exploitation from the release of vulns is nearing zero, largely aided by LLM reverse engineering -- why wouldn't this apply to nation state level adversaries?
	▲	alienbaby 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Peak of skill and capability, perhaps not, for now. But the ability to automate and discover relevant weaknesses at a greatly increased rate definitely counts as increasing the threat nation states can present.

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yitianjian 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

LLMs and current AI models are absolutely top priority for the Chinese government, they’re just funding robotics as well