Just because they did it doesn't mean more people should do it...

zerobees 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This doesn't at all change the irony of big AI labs complaining about Chinese startups stealing the labs' IP, essentially by scraping the responses.

HN has a higher proportion of AI promoters than AI skeptics, and for a good while, the default response to complaints from book authors, bloggers, and other content creators was that "you put it on the internet so it's fair game", or "it's no different from a human learning from your works". So yeah, unless we're willing to revise these answers, I think the same "tough luck" reasoning should apply here.

For folks who are at Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, or Google, and think it's fundamentally different, I would ask you to think long and hard about that answer.

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setopt 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Completely agreed. I would go further and say that it should be legal to scrape responses from LLMs to train new LLMs, and that forbidding that in your ToS should be considered an illegal contract. That’s simply the best way to avoid complete monopolization of the space, without requiring more drastic measures like antitrust down the line (which we seem to not manage well these days, given the number of monopolies). As long as you pay for your tokens like anyone else, "Big LLM" shouldn’t be allowed to control what you use the output for.

	▲	inigyou 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		What does an illegal contract mean?

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marknutter 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> HN has a higher proportion of AI promoters than AI skeptics

You're be using a different HN than me, or you and I only pay attention to one side or the other.

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tokioyoyo 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I like Ant, but also I support the tit-for-tat competition. In the best interest of consumers.

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bijowo1676 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

why? Just because you have that opinion deoesn't mean people shouldn't do it

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watwut 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Actually in competition it means exactly that.

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shimman 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh course it does, why wouldn't it work this way in regards to computer science?

Are we seriously going to go back to a time where numbers were considered munitions?