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Frieren an hour ago

> spent virtually all of their time with the gaming industry lobby groups.

The industry should only be allowed to comment after the laws have been written and fulfill the goals of European citizens.

To ask the fox to guard the hen house is killing democracy.

l23k4 an hour ago | parent [-]

This is idiotic. "The industry" are also European citizens.

It's about balancing the interests of people who pay their rent and feed their children by selling games, and the interests of people who merely enjoy games.

Consulting only the group which enjoys games would be absurd to the point of being actively malicious.

monegator an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Hey! That's exactly what lobbyists against regulations would say!

walletdrainer an hour ago | parent [-]

You can use this deeply dishonest criticism against virtually any point of view you dislike.

Someone arguing the opposite position would be a corporate shill pushing for regulatory capture. Everyone who disagrees with you is always a corporate shill.

The government should give everyone free gasoline, everyone who says otherwise is a corporate shill only working to protect their profits!

roblabla an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a much smaller set of European citizens, and yet they have a much larger access to lawmakers. So no, it's not idiotic.

l23k4 an hour ago | parent [-]

Would you be happy to put a person on the street so a thousand people get to continue playing league of legends in 2060?

The interests being balanced here are so far apart it's pretty obvious why one side should have much larger access to lawmakers on this issue. Frieren is suggesting they should have none at all!

And FWIW: People building games contribute something to society, playing them contributes nothing.

sensanaty 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> People building games contribute something to society, playing them contributes nothing.

The people building games wouldn't be contributing anything if the players weren't playing/buying them.

drbscl 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> And FWIW: People building games contribute something to society, playing them contributes nothing.

You're aware that they are taxed products that people buy with their wages, right?

account42 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Would you be happy to put a person on the street so a thousand people get to continue playing league of legends in 2060?

Yes.

The balance is that everyone's free speech has already been SEVERELY restricted in order for the game industry to have a business model at all. This is about making sure that the rest of our society actually gets a remotely fair deal. Asking that companies can't just take away what they have sold is really below the bare minimum.

thrance 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

False equivalence. Riot could release the server binaries when they end League of Legends service, and no one would get thrown on the street.

LtWorf an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Everything you buy instead of something else is putting someone on the street.

l23k4 an hour ago | parent [-]

So? How does this relate to the disgusting anti-democratic suggestion that game devs should not be heard in relation to this topic?

I really can't see how my ability to buy other products justifies denying them representation, these things do not seem even vaguely connected.

LtWorf 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I love how you complain about the poor companies while companies are the only ones being heard. maybe take less of a moral superiority stance?

Ukv 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> disgusting anti-democratic suggestion [...] denying them representation

I assume the idea isn't that developing a game means you don't get to vote as a citizen, but that the industry can't lobby for special access ("spent virtually all of their time with the gaming industry lobby groups").

thrance 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What's democratic about a decision made by the wealthy few, disregarding a massive popular wave!?