> it doesn't have to even be 50% effective to mark a substantial improvement

It is not even 10% effective, and rightly so. It’s so absurdly easy to work around that the whole thing is silly. If the kids can’t be on Instagram they’ll find an equally welcoming place like Roblox to hang out.

You aren’t going to stop kids from being kids, and you probably shouldn’t try.

Note how we’re trusting all these US companies with their safety because any of these companies in the EU would immediately be regulated out of existence?

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100ms 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You're just repeating the "it's technically imperfect" argument again.

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Aeolun an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No, I'm repeating the "The net effect is negative for more people than it's positive for." argument again.

You are saying that "Anything we do is better than nothing." Which I might agree with in certain situations, but this here is the wrong solution to the wrong problem.

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kelseyfrog 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Psychologists call this black or white thinking - in this case, either something works perfectly or it's useless.

Next to impossible to get a person who believes this that they're engaging in a cognitive distortion though. I tried the same thing you're doing, once. I gave up. They will die on this hill and then wonder why they lost long after everyone else had moved on.

It's possible to make effective arguments in line with their values. They simply don't want to be helped.

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selcuka 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Psychologists call this black or white thinking

The same can be told for your thinking. You (and several other posters) lumped several arguments into the same Nirvana fallacy [1]:

1. It's not 100% effective

2. It's only 50% effective

3. It is not even 10% effective

These are very different from each other. The first one may actually mean what you described (either something works perfectly or it's useless) but the others must be discussed separately.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

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kelseyfrog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

ok, then what's the minimum efficacy such that you'll consider it viable?

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selcuka an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Again, it's not a black or white issue. There is no universal constant threshold where it suddenly becomes viable. If you ask my personal opinion, I would say:

- If it's not even 10% effective, don't waste any resources. Replace it with another method.

- If it's 10% - 50% effective, improve it.

- If it's >50% effective, it's probably fine, leave it.

My point it that there can be many other shades of grey here. It's not fair to lump all opponents of the current implementation into the same basket.

	▲	kelseyfrog 22 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Ok, then maybe what I'm saying applies to Aeolun and not you. It looks like you decided to self-insert into a critique that doesn't involve you and then decide that means the critique is wrong.

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cindyllm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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