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| ▲ | upboundspiral 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes absolutely. You can install nonprivileged google stuff on the main account. Alternatively you can setup a private space (accessible to the main user but mostly separate from the main system) with a few clicks in the settings. If you prefer more friction / isolation you can setup a separate user where you can install the google stuff. |
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| ▲ | handedness 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I run a litany of Google (and other corporate/business apps) apps in Private Space under the owner's profile, which is only unlocked when I need it for something. That space's connection can go out over a WireGuard tunnel if I need those apps to be on any specific networks, while the rest of the phone's traffic is unaffected. The file systems stay functionally separate (although that's not a major concern given how file encryption is handled, plus the dream that is Storage Scopes), and that space has its own camera app and such. The Owner profile itself doesn't run Google Play Services, so when that Private Space is locked and dormant it's effectively a degoogled stack. Some will invariably argue that an old pocket-sized Linux PC with a cellular modem is a superior experience, and for some specific things it may well be, but GrapheneOS is the only viable option for someone looking for a user-respecting modern phone with very few limitations. |
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| ▲ | drnick1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I'm not looking to fully de-Google but I want Google as apps and not my OS. This is entirely possible as other posters have explained. But I think it kind of defeats the point of Graphene, at least somewhat. Google is already profiling every aspect of your life by reading your emails, files, calendar, location, etc? In that case, OS access becomes moot. I think that GrapheneOS makes most sense as part of a broader move towards privacy-respecting alternatives. I see the sandboxed Play Services as something useful perhaps in a secondary user profile, for the odd commercial app required and only available from the Play Store. |
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| ▲ | fooqux 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree and have moved mostly away from everything Google. But it's hard to replace maps. I know open street maps exists but it's hard to beat Google's data gathering. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I think OSM is way way better. It has ever little path in the hills I walk. On Google Maps I'm just walking in a featureless green blob. Maybe for cars Google is better but I don't use those. | |
| ▲ | eblanshey an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I use Google Maps on Graphene. It works perfectly. You still get the benefits of the rest of the phone being degoogled. Just allow it to access your location only when you're actively using the app. When it's closed, it's closed. | |
| ▲ | theandrewbailey an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've been using HERE WeGo on GrapheneOS for almost a year. I had to install a text to speech engine in order to get voice directions. https://www.here.com/products/wego https://here-wego.en.aptoide.com/app | |
| ▲ | handedness 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've settled on running CoMaps in the Owner profile, with Google Maps/Waze/etc. in the Owner profile's Private Space for when they're necessary. | | |
| ▲ | fooqux an hour ago | parent [-] | | Can that setup work with android auto? If so, I'll need to try that. |
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| ▲ | donalhunt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are players in the OpenStreetMap ecosystem attempting to change that. I know the team behind Organic Maps are actively working to make their app as viable as possible by sourcing appropriate data for example. | | |
| ▲ | DarkUranium 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Organic Maps is amazing. I actually find that it blows Google Maps out of the water for cycling (which is why/how I discovered it). I haven't really used it for driving much because my own car has a builtin nav, so can't really comment on that. YMMV of course. |
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| ▲ | hxorr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I believe one of Graphene OS's main features is that they allow you to run google play services in a sandboxed environment, so you can run your standard google apps but without the standard android deal where google play services has unfetteted access to all your phone's location/data/etc info |
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| ▲ | hiitsmyaccount 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, you install the Google Play store via the GrapheneOS App Store. The OS comes with like 5 apps out of the box. The rest is up to you. Biggest caveats that I've encountered: tap to pay via Google Wallet is a no go, Android Auto can be flaky, MDM managed work profiles don't work at the moment, and some apps that use the Google Play integrity API fail to validate and refuse to work (I've only encountered one app that fails, and plenty others that work.) In general, I'm moving towards a de-Googled life and GrapheneOS is a great entrypoint towards that. |
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| ▲ | handedness 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My end-run around Google's absurd unwillingness to certify GOS for Google Pay has been Garmin Pay, which has worked virtually everywhere I've ever tried it. I'm hopeful that an OEM Motorola device will get certified for Google Pay. | |
| ▲ | y2244 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tap to pay is mostly NFC? So is there an alternative app? | | |
| ▲ | jordand 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Curve Pay has worked well for me. Only good alternative as it doesn't depend on Google Play Services too | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes you can use Curve pay. Edit: Apparently that's Europe only? I'm in Europe so yeah. I didn't know that. | |
| ▲ | vrganj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's Curve Pay in Europe. In the US, I'm not sure. |
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| ▲ | notRobot 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yes, you can have sandboxed Google apps: https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play |
