Remix.run Logo
arjie 9 hours ago

The scales of money at play always seem so strange. Oh a few hundred million for ocean sensors, or about what a few OpenAI / Cursor employees or a few hundred FAANG employees could personally fund if they desired to do so.

rjrjrjrj 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

These sensors and a bunch of other scientific research for a thousand years, or pointless war with Iran for 3 months.

_fs 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cost has nothing to do with it. This was all laid out in the project 2025 manifesto. Burn it all down with no regard to money previously invested. Makes it harder for future administrations to rebuild. Halting the collection of data is not enough. Maintenance is 5% or less of the cost to deploy new. If they destroy it, it makes the cost to rebuild (including having to re-seek congressional approval) that much harder and time consuming.

gwerbin 7 hours ago | parent [-]

And if they do accidentally destroy something that they want, it can be rebuilt by a private contractor friendly to the administration.

autoexec 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The war is making a lot of money for trump and his family, the science was just making some of Trump's biggest bribers look bad.

dwroberts 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US military budget is 900 billion dollars. The government can afford a few hundred million for some sensors, it should not need private sector patrons

mandeepj 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The US military budget is 900 billion dollars.

The new budget proposal is $1.5T

hxtk 8 hours ago | parent [-]

That number, incidentally, is the entire NATO military budget. Which scares me because I can imagine someone planning on taking action that would result in the dissolution of NATO thinking they can make up the difference that way and choosing that number with that in mind.

justin66 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The government has already paid for the sensors.

echelon 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The US military budget is 900 billion dollars.

And we're about to pay over a third of that to Iran?

pesus 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is it actually coming out of the military budget? I assumed we were just going to get taxed for it, or they'd pull it from some other places that actually needs the funds.

Alternatively, they could just increase the military budget by 300 billion (or more).

sejje 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My understanding was that the US green-lighted a 300-billion investment from neighboring countries to rebuild.

burkaman 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Nobody outside the administration knows what the US has greenlit, and a detailed peace agreement likely doesn't exist yet.

morkalork 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a good measure of scale. The USA is paying Iran an amount that is 1/3rd of its military budget in reparations because they "won".

throwawaypath 8 hours ago | parent [-]

No, that was fake news. The 300 billion dollars isn't coming from the US.

amanaplanacanal 7 hours ago | parent [-]

How would you even know that? We haven't seen the agreement yet.

throwawaypath 7 hours ago | parent [-]

>We haven't seen the agreement yet.

Which why the $300 million claim is fake news.

amanaplanacanal 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That 300 billion number came from JD Vance. Do you think he lied, or what?

throwawaypath 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>That 300 billion number came from JD Vance.

No it didn't, that is fake news. Please provide an unbiased source where JD Vance claims the US will be paying Iran $300 billion.

amanaplanacanal 4 hours ago | parent [-]

"Walk through some of this. The Iranians are saying that they're gonna have access to a $300 billion reconstruction fund, true or false?" O'Keefe began.

"Well, Ed, that's the sort of thing they could have access to, funded by the Gulf coast coalition, so long as they honor their end of the obligation. I think that one of the things you're going to see, Ed—and people have to be skeptical of this—is that the hardliners in the Iranian system will overemphasize the benefits that Iran gets, while underemphasizing all the things that they have to concede and all the things they have to provide in order to get these benefits," Vance replied.

NBC news. He said the "Gulf Coast coalition", but it's unclear exactly who is going to be paying into that.

throwawaypath 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you for confirming it was fake news. He did not state that the US was going to give Iran $300 billion.

Hikikomori 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He also said trump is America's Hitler, but that turned out to be true. But would argue is America's Hitler and Jimmy saville.

throwawaypath 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, that was fake news. The 300 billion dollars isn't coming from the US.

fhdkweig 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Specifically, it is unfreezing previously frozen/stolen assets that belong to Iran.

Jtsummers 8 hours ago | parent [-]

That's only part of it, the US and allies are reportedly going to set up a $300 billion fund for Iran, the particular terms of accessing it aren't clear at this point. GP is correct in that the US is not putting up $300 billion, but it will be putting up part of that money. The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.

throwawaypath 7 hours ago | parent [-]

>The US fought and lost a war and Iran comes out ahead, and the US and its allies come out worse and poorer.

That is also fake news. The US did not lose the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war

7 hours ago | parent | next [-]
[deleted]
Jtsummers 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That is also fake news.

You keep using those words, but it's clear you don't know what they mean (or what anything means). Enjoy your trolling.

throwawaypath 6 hours ago | parent [-]

>You keep using those words, but it's clear you don't know what they mean

Don't project your inability to discern fake news on others.

>(or what anything means)

Cringe.

>Enjoy your trolling.

Enjoy your fake news delusions.

7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]
[deleted]
vel0city 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its not even about saving money. If they just wanted to save money they'd just stop paying attention to the data coming in, retask/lay off the people working on it, and let the buoys stay out there. A dumb idea to me, but at least that's consistent. Let other organizations decide to manage the buoys. While I'd prefer for the government to do it, it could be possible to have other groups fund such things. It would be a lot cheaper, easier, and allow for a smoother transition with no lost data for some other org or government to take over the project.

Instead, we're paying money to pull the sensors out of the water. We're actively spending money to blind ourselves to things we know are growing areas of concern.

lastofthemojito 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's also (according to some in Congress) an illegal action as Congress authorized and funded the project:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/lawmakers-fight-to-stop...

But that just seems like par for the course for the current administration, whether it's tariffs or ballrooms or ocean sensors - do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way in the future.

autoexec 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> do the illegal thing ASAP, let the courts argue for months or years, and maaaaaybe get a slap on the wrist sometime way in the future.

don't forget that the courts have already decided that anything this president does is legally okay because he's immune from punishment for breaking any law as long as they decide the illegal activity was an "official act".

gwerbin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well the majority party in Congress could put a stop to it at any time. The fact that they don't, and haven't just on about any related issue, tells you everything you need to know. They just don't want to put their names on it in case public opinion sours, then they can at least try to keep their jobs and claim innocence.

7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]
[deleted]
AngryData 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Congress isn't toothless so I just don't see how I can believe anything but that the majority of congress, whether they claim opposition or not, is onboard with this nonsense. They are completely out of touch and it seems like they are just playing a game of PR hot potato to avoid taking any real action.

Jtsummers 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the strangest part to me. They will spend millions and several years to dismantle a system that, realistically, could also just be abandoned. Not that we should leave more random, unused equipment out in the world, but if this were really about cost savings, and given this administration does not care at all about the environment, then leaving the equipment in place was the best option by their stated rationale.

fanatic2pope 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If they just abandon them then a subsequent administration can simply re-activate them without being forced to spend even more money.

Sharlin 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Astronaut meme: it was never about cost savings

insane_dreamer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's not strange or random idiocy

they are intentionally making it difficult for the next administration to flip the switch back on to monitoring again; it would now require $100s of millions to reconstruct the system, money that may not be easy to get congress/taxpayers to agree to

curt15 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In what world is more spending for less data a good deal?

20after4 8 hours ago | parent [-]

If you are in the oil, gas and coal business and the money spent is coming out of someone else's pocket then it's a great deal.

goatlover 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This administration is extremely wasteful despite the mantra about reducing waste, fraud and abuse. In fact it's done the opposite of all three things.

EA-3167 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Don't Look Up" was a documentary.

hdgvhicv 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s nothing to do with money, that’s always the libertarian excuse, and HN laps it up far more than the rest of the word.

pesus 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Whatever delusions I once held that software engineers are above average intelligence were completely eradicated by seeing how many HN commenters eagerly bought into the obvious lies about DOGE and their goals (amongst other things). It was embarrassing. They sure seem to be a lot quieter about that now, though.

ToucanLoucan 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Have to sternly disagree: at least on the conservative side, it is thoroughly lapped up. Right wingers the world over constantly vote to fuck themselves and the rest of us over with this never ending whingeing about debt, spending, pork, what have you. On this particular issue it's even less surprising since the only thing perhaps a right winger wants to hear less about than government spending is climate change.

The entire debt ceiling bullshit is political theatre and always has been. We didn't even have a debt ceiling for the majority of our existence as a nation, and since it's creation by right wingers, it has been used as a bludgeon by right wingers to kneecap anything that stood to benefit the civil good of our country. Austerity politics have been deployed here and elsewhere to great effect to destroy social programs, demonize those who need them, and reallocate trillions of dollars to the private sector to provide the same services the public sector did, but worse, and while enriching greedy assholes the entire way. And the whole way it has been done by an enthusiastic and approving portion of the public who can be persuaded to feel outrage that seventy cents of their yearly taxes are going to some program in some far off part of the country they'll never see.

Meanwhile the actual national debt soars, and under who? Yep, fucking right wingers again. And every time we want to do something science and evidence backed like give the homeless somewhere to live, we're met with a chorus of WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT, but every goddamn time there's another country full of brown kids to blow the fuck off the face of the Earth, we always, always have money for that.

It's disgusting and I hate it here.

autoexec 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> Meanwhile the actual national debt soars, and under who? Yep, fucking right wingers again.

Exactly. If the people on the right cared at all about government spending they'd never vote republican again, which just shows us that they don't actually care about government spending. They don't seem to want to talk about the things they really do care about too loudly though.

righthand 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lol Big Tech employees don’t have desires beyond money at any cost.

ertgbnm 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[dead]

ericmay 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[flagged]

Ancalagon 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

actually - they're not

iwontberude 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because your rights (including property rights) are only what other people will respect, there is no true god head that swoops down to ensure it.

ericmay 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not following what this comment is supposed to address from what I wrote.

The US government is taking some action (they take all sorts of actions people agree or disagree with, fund or defund various programs or initiatives), and because some people disagree with that action we should create a special tax levy on "some rich text workers" to pay for something that some number of citizens want to see exist despite the government that was democratically elected defunding that various program? Maybe when Democrats win we can just tax a few Anthropic employees and have them pay for the natural gas power plants that get shut down and then we can tax them again when Republicans shut down the wind and solar turbines. Perfect!

That, which is an accurate description of what was proposed, seems a bit unworkable, to say the least. Any why limit it to these sensors? Why not pay for all sorts of things? Let's just tax tech workers and they'll fund all sorts of activities that some political groups want to see happen?! lol that's so crazy and doesn't at all make sense in a democratic nation that respects the rule of law.