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dvh 5 hours ago

Now I'm curious, were there any self-help fiction books?

threetonesun 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance comes to mind, I suppose also the business-parable style books like Who Moved My Cheese?.

Insanity 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If you count Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, almost any fiction book with a philosophical angle would fit that description.

Or even books like “The Phoenix(/Unicorn) Project”.

threetonesun 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I wouldn't say any fictional book with a philosophical angle fits, but ones that could have been written as non-fiction but for the purposes of getting the point across weren't. Phoenix/Unicorn Project are good examples!

comrade1234 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty much all of them.

tonymet 2 hours ago | parent [-]

perhaps they made the fiction/non-fiction Freudian slip? Here I was thinking "Are there any non-fiction (actually true) self help books?"

RobotToaster 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The art of war is probably fictional.

burkaman 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've never read it but I think Atlas Shrugged might qualify. I don't think I've ever heard anyone praise the plot or talk about it as a novel, instead people who liked it say it changed their life, changed how they view themselves, etc.

PaulHoule 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I thought it was pretty well paced as a novel until it got to John Galt's big speech which seemed childishly self-indulgent and then after that it goes to hell. The novel is about 1200 pages and it's pretty amazing that it held my attention for the first 800 because I've rarely been able to enjoy a novel for that long.

randthrowaway3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

as a lite-BDSM wish fulfillment romance novel, it's quite compelling. better plotted and written than much successful romantasy today. the whole plot is about a bunch of hot rich guys fighting over who gets to dom the self-insert female protagonist.

there's another fantasy aspect, which is discovering your sense of alienation from family and society is really because you're part of a special but oppressed group and won't admit it to yourself, and once you embrace your identity you can find fulfillment, love, and community.

now, in this case, the repressed identity is "capitalist", which is a peculiar way of looking at the world. but if you ignore this, the emotional beats of the story (finding yourself, coming out, found family) also work for the LGBT experience, even perhaps neurodivergence. I think this is why so many confused teenagers find themselves very moved by the book and are later embarrassed to admit it.

on the whole, it's not high literature but competently executed, the only really stupid thing about it is Objectivism.

citizenpaul 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it appeals to people with toxic "lone wolf" mentality.

tiahura 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The other, of course, involves orcs.

deadbabe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes! plenty of them: The Secret, The 4-hour Work Week, Rich Dad Poor Dad, Think and Grow Rich, etc…

PaulHoule 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think there are some good things in the 4-hour Work Week but the concept as a whole is problematic: e.g. Tim Ferris himself has more like a 400-hour work week. Rich Dad Poor Dad is a right wing scam. There is a psychotechnology that people call "magic" but The Secret and Think and Grow Rich won't teach you it.

RajT88 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Rich Dad Poor Dad is a right wing scam.

I think he was actually saying that by calling it fiction, lol.

PaulHoule 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, but it's the worst of the four. I remember his advice that you should buy a rental property which is cashflow positive after the mortgage payment on day one. (As opposed to profitable considering that you're building equity)

These were just not on the market except for one that had 8 section 8 apartments and would have driven me crazy trying to manage as a bleeding heart who cares about people.

cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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plagiarist 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I liked Ferris explaining that you can validate a market exists by serving ads pretending you already have a product. What a scumbag. Isn't the rest of the book just drop shipping and selling supplements with high margins? I recall snippets of a manual for unethical but mostly legal small business between stories of people making money on such practices.

PaulHoule 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I like his description of how you could just call up an expert on the phone and often get a quick answer to any question they can answer quickly. I'd learned that one myself.

Like it or not a lot of successful businesses have some bodies buried somewhere, particularly those that have been successful in two-sided markets such as online communities. There have been legendary successes in marketing enterprise software that didn't quite exist but I can say it didn't work when I tried it.

mcphage 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“The Alchemist” by Paulo Coelho qualifies.

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