Let’s say this is the case it still does not explain what the real end game looks like. What do you think?

The real game is that the US isn’t in charge, and the guy in the White House is in over his head along with his yes men and the rest of the world appears to be making arrangements and moving on.

▲

ElProlactin 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> ...and the rest of the world appears to be making arrangements and moving on.

This. Pax Americana is dead.

	▲	JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Which makes "the rest of the world appears to be making arrangements and moving on" a euphemism for the rest of the world is gearing up for war.

▲

sleepyguy 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know. It's a quagmire where America finds itself with no good options.

Bibi and Israel set in motion a trap that the USA can't easily escape. Netanyahu never believed America would back down, and America never believed it could lose.

So what now?

Do you surrender? Do you invade?

Trump and Hegseth, being the fools they are, were never equipped to deal with a situation like this. The only outcome they seriously considered was Iranian surrender. They seemed convinced that Iran would fold, and gave little thought to what happens if it doesn't.

	▲	defrost 10 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Bibi and Israel set in motion a trap that the USA can't easily escape. More accurately, they've been pushing this trap for decades and US presidents have been sidestepping it for decades. From that PoV it's always been easily avoided.
	▲	JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Do you surrender? Do you invade? Clearly the answer is you pay them off.