| ▲ | winocm 12 hours ago |
| On the note of PG&E, my electric bill averages to about $750 despite only running an air conditioner, several device chargers, a router, some lights and a fridge... Thanks PG&E. |
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| ▲ | saltcured 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Are these "device chargers" for BEVs like electric submarines or something? ;-) In the broader SF Bay Area, our recent PG&E bills for a 50 year old single-family home without air-conditioning is under $150/mo, with a couple fridges, electric clothes dryer, and a half-dozen laptop class computers. That's averaging about 8-9 kWh per day (250-280 kWh/month). Last winter, our bill ramped up to over $400/mo for a few months, due to heating with natural gas. |
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| ▲ | 3eb7988a1663 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How many kWh monthly? Let's say your overall rate is $0.50/kWh, that would put you at 1500kWh per month. Which is....high. Even if your rate were $1/kWh, 750kWh would be a decent amount of juice for a region with an overall mild climate. The EIA[0] says the typical annual electricity consumption for homes in "the West" (ie not just California) is 8525kWh/year, or 710kWh/month. [0] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/use-of-energy/electricit... |
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| ▲ | jjav 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Let's say your overall rate is $0.50/kWh It's way higher than that with PG&E. My PG&E bill tends to be around $500/mo and I run basically nothing out of the basics. Never turn on the A/C. Tiny house, normal usage of fridge, lights and the usual househould gadgets like washer/dryer. Near the coast so climate is cool, if we lived in the hot areas and had to run A/C I imagine it would be double at least. The profound corruption of PG&E is an existential risk to California and Silicon Valley. |
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| ▲ | naturalmovement 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No wonder people are fleeing California in droves. There is absolutely no justification for a bill that high other than malfeasance or gross mismanagement. That is straight-up theft of your money. For comparison, I have double that plus electric appliances and a home-lab with 6 rack servers that run 24/7 and my bill rarely tops $175 in the dead of summer. And I like the thermostat cold. If you live in a duplex or condo I would consider if your meter is miswired (with your neighbor's meter daisy-chained to yours) and you are being double-billed. It is more common than you think and often goes undiscovered for years. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | > No wonder people are fleeing California in droves “Fleeing” is hyperbole. Population is roughly flat [1]. [1] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CA/PST045224 | | |
| ▲ | naturalmovement 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Both can be true. There could be people fleeing that have lived there for some time, while being supplanted with newcomers. That would have a net zero effect. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m not sure why that counts as a useful definition of fleeing within the context of economic conditions. |
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| ▲ | casey2 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Shrinking every year. Not good. ~40% people under 40 (or ~10% of the population) live with their parents. This is an indirect tax on parents since a majority of this class has no option to evict their kids. North Korea has a stable population, people flee all the time. The comparison is apt. California's 4-walled fences are much tighter around their residents. | | |
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| ▲ | namuol 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What rates are you being charged? |
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| ▲ | hunterpayne 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | CA rates come in 4 tranches based on usage. Last I checked, its $0.10/kwh for the first tranch, 0.2 for the 2nd, 0.3 for the 3rd and 0.4 for the highest. I don't remember the cutoffs between the different levels. Its also possible those rates have changed in the last few years. But that's how CA does residential power bills. Most people never get into the 2nd tranche. PS Where I live now, its $0.04/kwh and that's pretty normal in the rest of the US and in Latin America. | | |
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