| ▲ | skilning 5 hours ago |
| And completely irrelevant since the core materials in them are mined overseas. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Since batteries are highly recyclable, a core material imported once means we never need to import it again. Recycling is so effective that with the little that we're currently doing (not enough batteries to recycle yet), we get more battery out of the recycling process than what went in. Because the battery manufacturing is improving and getting more kWh out of the same input materials than when the battery was originally made, and the difference is bigger than anything lost to the recycling process. Batteries and renewable energy generation are not like building an economy on fossil fuels, which is a very fragile economy vulnerable to massive spikes in input costs. Batteries and renewable energy are fundamentally anti-inflation devices. |
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| ▲ | skyyler 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | How long, in years, until we are mining landfills for lithium? | | |
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| ▲ | while_true_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Large lithium mine under construction in northwest Nevada at Thacker Pass, joint venture with GM. https://lithiumamericas.com/thacker-pass/overview/default.as... |
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| ▲ | SubiculumCode 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nearshoring as we speak..Venezuela will probably be contributing to that soon, I expect. |
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| ▲ | usrnm 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good old colonialism, sweet | | |
| ▲ | haaz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No that's called trade you clown | |
| ▲ | SubiculumCode 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know about colonialism. I do not think that the mining companies changed. It's just that previously China exerted a lot of influence on where those minerals got processed, circumventing American markets, and enabling Chinese threats to restrict strategic minerals.in the ongoing trade disputes, etc. Generally, America should have been much more proactive and supporting of South America. Allowing Russia, Iran, and China to have inordinate influence there was a bad idea IMO. | |
| ▲ | schlap 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i promise that venezuelan business leaders are more than happy to take USD | |
| ▲ | libertine 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Eh, at this point that means nothing, let's see: If it's Russia, the biggest colonialist country in the world, using Neo Nazi "PMC", or trying to annex neighboring countries, it's not colonialism, it's "liberation from colonialists". If it's China doing mass acquisitions of state and private assets, it's not colonialism, it's "development". If it's a western country doing what ever, it's colonialism lol it's such a dumb propaganda trope. So the conclusion is that the new western colonialism is actually looking like a pretty good option, and shouldn't have such a bad connotation, perhaps it should be embraced in this new world order no? | | |
| ▲ | cleaning 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just because it's easy to post doesn't mean you have to press submit on every thought that comes to your head. It's okay to admit you're working off of a very "self-taught" understanding. |
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| ▲ | Legend2440 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, they've been trying to build a lithium mine in the desert in Nevada, but environmental groups have stalled it for years with lawsuits and protests. This is why you can't build anything in America anymore. |
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| ▲ | cogman10 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nope. This is a misconception. Batteries don't have rare-earth materials in them. Lithium, nickel, and iron are very plentiful in the US. The "rarest" of materials that might be mined is Cobalt. That, however isn't because it's a hard to find. Rather, cobalt has basically no industrial applications outside of battery production. And, importantly, not all battery chemistries require cobalt, just the nickel manganese cobalt batteries. Idaho has a cobalt mine that's not currently in operation. The reason is because demand is super low and the artisanal mines in africa are cheaper than spinning up a full industrial mine. |
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| ▲ | pfannkuchen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > artisanal mines in africa Just want to say this is an entertaining euphemism. It isn’t that labor conditions are poor and work is done by hand, it’s “artisanal mining”. | | | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Rather, cobalt has basically no industrial applications outside of battery production. Cobalt is a part of high speed steel and all kinds of metal alloys that have specialized applications, almost 40% of cobalt is used for metallurgical purposes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt#Applications | | |
| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Also in high performance magnetic steel, as well as SmCo magnets. | |
| ▲ | cogman10 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I missed this the last time I looked. I'm guessing it doesn't get pulled as much for steel because of recycling? |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You don't need that much of foreign mined materials. The continental US has a bunch of really large lithium reserves, with Thacker Pass being supposed to be able to deliver 25% of the world's output in the end [1], and new sodium based chemistries? All they need is table salt, available for effectively free from the brine of California's desalination plants. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thacker_Pass_lithium_mine |
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| ▲ | jeffbee 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | California desalination is almost not practiced at all. Are you sure it's a significant source of sodium for industry? |
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| ▲ | jeffbee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| People are waaaaaay overimagining the exotic metal content of batteries. |