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seanmcdirmid 16 hours ago

Wait, you mean there is “no excuse for what Israel is doing” and “Hamas kidnapping and murdering Israelis” was just a distraction?

This is why we should just move on to EVs and stop getting involved at all in the Middle East. I see no morally right way of engaging with either side. Both positions seem to end in “let one side genocide the other side.”

gmerc 16 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s not an excuse. Kidnapping is a police problem. Not a genocide problem.

bulbar 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hamas' mass murdering isn't a "police problem" whatever that's meant to mean and they are quite explicit in their goal of genocide of the Jewish population in the southern levante.

TitaRusell 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hamas is not the same as Palestinians.

But I understand that Israeli soldiers need justification to shoot at children and raise houses- just as Germans needed justification for their genocide.

bulbar 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hamas has been the government in Gaza for the last years, so I'm not sure what you want to say by stating the mass murdering by Hamas is a police problem.

dzhiurgis an hour ago | parent [-]

18 years IIRC. Entire generation has been raised with one and single mission - destroy Israel. Yes Hamas isn't Palestine, same way Trump isn't America. But it's pretty damn close.

seanmcdirmid 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hamas knows that and is willing to give Israeli army those excuses freely, they freely admitted that the whole point of the kidnappings and murders was to provoke Israeli into genocide, which in turn would provide world wide sympathy for their cause. Hamas will fight to the last Palestinian, which is sad.

Don’t get me wrong, Israel is not the good guy here, and Hamas is just taking advantage of their short fuse. Both sides are insane, which is why I think it’s better for us to just sit it out, the only thing we can do is make it worse.

Computer0 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hamas is good. Supporting Hamas is not bad. The US military has done exponentially worse things.

_DeadFred_ an hour ago | parent [-]

Googling "Hamas Thai worker shovel" seems to indicate otherwise.

seanmcdirmid 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See, it’s statements like this that make me want to run away like heck from this.

Netanyahu is a hack, a war monger, all sorts of bad, but Palestinians continued support for Hamas and seeing large scale cross border kidnapping/murder as a “police issue”, it’s hard for me to feel sympathy.

So I bought an EV and that’s the end of it.

gmerc 13 hours ago | parent [-]

The Epstein Class solution to turmoil of the soul - give Elon money instead

seanmcdirmid 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Elon isn’t the only person selling EVs. I’m glad I’ve never given him money. We should just wash our hands of the Middle East though, maybe if the western world stops caring, all of the parties will come together and figure out a way forward that doesn’t involve killing each other.