Heh. Typing "disregard previous instructions" into a computer is the new shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater?

CookieCrisp 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Seems like a booby trap to me, which is illegal. I suspect if one of these does enough damage there will be laws against it. The intent was to destroy - still I sympathize with the desire to have their terms followed, and I think this situation isn't that bad, but, I suspect there will someday be one that is pretty bad.

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ethin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Except that shouting fire in a crowded theater isn't actually a crime at all and you can't be prosecuted for it (doing so would violate your first amendment rights). You can be at most banned from the theater. However, it's understandable people would think that it's a criminal act given that even prosecutors repeat this long-standing myth. Legal Eagle has an excellent video describing just how wrong this is and it's history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTsPgiUoBKA

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mapontosevenths an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm fairly certain he is wrong. A lot of folks lean on Shenk, and I think he does in that video though I haven't watched it all. Shenk was overturned by Breandenburg v. Ohio, and in in it they are explicit that shouting fire in a crowded theater is very much one of the only kinds of speech that IS restricted.

They literally use that example in the decision. Quote: "The example usually given by those who would punish speech is the case of one who falsely shouts fire in a crowded theatre.

This is, however, a classic case where speech is brigaded with action. ... They are indeed insep- arable and a prosecution can be launched for the overt acts actually caused. Apart from rare instances of that kind, speech is, I think, immune from prosecution."[0]

That is to say, shouting fire in a crowded theater with the intent to cause harm is actually one of the few cases were it actually would be illegal based on that decision.

[0] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep...

	▲	ethin 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Given that even Wikipedia effectively restates what he says, I'm pretty sure he's correct here: > Ultimately, whether it is legal in the United States to falsely shout "fire" in a theater depends on the circumstances in which it is done and the consequences of doing it. The act of shouting "fire" when there are no reasonable grounds for believing one exists is not in itself a crime, and nor would it be rendered a crime merely by having been carried out inside a theatre, crowded or otherwise. If it causes a stampede and someone is killed as a result, then the act could amount to a crime, such as involuntary manslaughter, assuming the other elements of that crime are made out. Similarly, state laws such as Colorado Revised Statute § 18-8-111 classify knowingly "false reporting of an emergency," including false alarms of fire, as a misdemeanor if the occupants of the building are caused to be evacuated or displaced, and a felony if the emergency response results in the serious bodily injury or death of another person.[16] Somewhat more trivially, in some states it is a crime just to knowingly make a false report - or knowingly cause a false report to be made - of an emergency to emergency services.[16] In Colorado it is a crime to knowingly cause "a false alarm of fire" to be transmitted to "any...government agency which deals with emergencies involving danger to life or property."[16] This crime could plausibly be made out where, for instance, in response to the false shout, an innocent bystander calls emergency services to report the fire, and this is found to have been such a foreseeable response to the shouts that the shouter is deemed to have caused the false report to be made. Whether those laws actually survive the Brandenburg test is untested, from my understanding. But given that potential first amendment violations are held to strict scrutiny, I question whether the government could actually pass the imminent lawless action test even had someone did it knowing it would cause a panic, and would need to try with some other offense.