| ▲ | ergocoder 21 hours ago |
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| ▲ | shigawire 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Stanford students are criticizing Google for enabling Israel. If Google was providing support for Hamas they could protest that too. |
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| ▲ | ergocoder 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've never seen any protest by students that protested against Palestine. In fact, at University of Washington, a protest was organized to support Palestine after the Oct 7 massacre on Oct 8; they chose to show support Palestine after Palestine did a massacre. And there was a very little criticism on that kind of actions. | | |
| ▲ | 8note 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | is oct 7th actually comparable to what israel has done to Palestinians over time? sure it was reprehensible, but is it on the same scale even? both before and after? criticising hamas seems like premature optimization, and picking something basically irrelevant to the overall conflict | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | > sure it was reprehensible Exactly, and organizing a support for Palestine immediately after Palestine committed a massacre is NOT okay. > criticising hamas seems like premature optimization Are you saying we shouldn't criticize Palestine? > picking something basically irrelevant to the overall conflict Why do I have to pick? Why do you need to pick? We can criticize both. Both are evil in different aspects. Why do you have so much issue with criticizing the evilness of Palestine? |
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| ▲ | bdangubic 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I've never seen any protest by students that protested against Palestine. you should think long and hard why that is but answer is as always quite simple | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | We all know why, and the reason doesn't fit what you want to believe. That's why you pretend to be obscure about it. Otherwise, you would have just said so out loud already. | | |
| ▲ | neaden 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's because the US government doesn't fund hamas and US companies don't work with Hamas. | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | The protest isn't about Hamas/Palestine. It's about criticizing what Israel is doing. | | |
| ▲ | neaden 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was answering why you don't see people protesting Hamas, which is what you brought up. If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up. | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But the protest isn't about who funds whom. It's about criticizing what Israel is doing. > If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up. I want to discuss it but you misunderstand the topic and seem angry based on your own misunderstanding. | | |
| ▲ | neaden 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didn't misunderstand or get angry. You brought up people not protesting Palestine. I didn't insult you, belittle you, or anything else so I don't know why you would think I'm angry except you've just decided everyone who agrees with you is angry, which is a bad habit to have | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You were definitely angry given your comment here "If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up." If you weren't, we would just discuss normally without insulting that the other side didn't have intention to discuss in a discussion forum. So, somehow my comment angered you that you had to resort to the tactics of undermining the other side. |
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| ▲ | bdangubic 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | oh the armies on HN like OP will bring it up :) |
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| ▲ | xenospn 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They could. But they would never. | |
| ▲ | x3n0ph3n3 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We both know they wouldn't, though. |
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| ▲ | conception 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Both governments may be but there isn’t a power balance between the two in any appreciable way nor in a civilian casualty balance, especially concerning children casualties. |
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| ▲ | spwa4 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you mean one of the two governments works tirelessly to minimize casualties, especially children. The other of the two governments works tirelessly to maximize casualties, especially children. Both sides, of course, occasionally fuck it up too. | | |
| ▲ | sosomoxie 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | You see this reflected in the huge number of children killed by Israel and minimal child casualties killed by Hamas. Israel is committing genocide while Hamas is resisting occupation and the stats make that crystal clear. | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Correct. Israel is committing genocide. > Hamas is resisting occupation This is definitely not true. The fact that you downplay what Palestine has been doing is wild. | | |
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| ▲ | bodegajed 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think Stanford students are not out of touch. Google has enough revenue to sustain itself but yet they decided to become an arms dealer. CEOs only care about the shareholder. |
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| ▲ | nujabe 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| lol you clearly think the Palestine side are worse, stop being disingenuous and just say it with your chest. Only one side is being armed and funded by our tax dollars, and that’s good enough reason to protest. |
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| ▲ | fhn 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | your current employer funds the Israelis | | | |
| ▲ | filoleg 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Only one side is being armed and funded by our tax dollars I mean, yeah, I would heavily prefer for one of the sides in this conflict to be much better funded and armed than the other. Specifically, the side that I consider to be fundamentally in the right in the conflict. Whichever side I am talking about is not relevant to the point. What's relevant to the actual point I am trying to make, is that I don't think that one side being better armed and funded serves as a reasonable indicator of which side is right/wrong in a given conflict. | | |
| ▲ | nujabe 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I would heavily prefer for one of the sides in this conflict to be much better funded and armed than the other. Most Americans would prefer that we fund neither. And this isn’t 2012, majority of Americans today do not see Israeli’s, who steal, spy on and try to get Americans killed through wars they start as the “good guys”. | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Most Americans would prefer that we fund neither. I'd say, based on the latest election result, this isn't true. Trump was basically like: I'm gonna fuck up Palestine. They'd better watch it. He was always clear about this. And then he won every single swing state and even won popular vote. Not that I agree with Trump. I merely state what I've observed. | | |
| ▲ | nujabe 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I'd say, based on the latest election result, this isn't true. The Israeli-Palestine conflict is far from the #1 priority of things US voters consider when voting in presidential elections. Also, winning by one of the narrowest margins in US election history, and with less than 50% of the popular vote is hardly a decisive mandate to give Israel a blank check. [1] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/22/us/politics/trump-electio... | | |
| ▲ | ergocoder 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Also, winning by one of the narrowest margins in US election history This dude said he would help commit genocide and became the first republican to win popular votes in 20 years. > The Israeli-Palestine conflict is far from the #1 priority of things US voters consider when voting in presidential elections. If a president promises to commit a genocide, I don't think any kind of policies would get voters (who are against genocide) to vote for him. It's certainly not #1 priority but it is a deal breaker. |
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| ▲ | ergocoder 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > you clearly think the Palestine side are worse You only think that in order to fit your narrative... even I already stated the contrary. > that’s good enough reason to protest. Clearly, this protest isn't about that. The protest is about criticizing Israel's actions. It's you who should stop being disingenuous | |
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| ▲ | za3faran 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Let's not victim blame here. Would you have called the Indians evil for wanting to have liberty from the british occupiers? What about the many other european colonies in Asia and Africa, were the locals "evil" for wanting to resist and get liberty? |
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| ▲ | HeavyStorm 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| yes, the kid trying to fight back is equal to the adult punching down. This is the time of moral fortitude of a 12 year old. |
