I really miss the tear-off-into-their-own-window menus. They were so handy.

I have to wonder if the fact that Wayland either never had or has only very recently gotten support for applications that need to place their windows at application-commanded locations on the screen meant that those lovely tear-off menus had to die.

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obezyian 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The gtk3 docs give the following reason for the deprecation:

Menus are not meant to be torn around.

Yeah, they are meant to be implemented with web technologies and look like shit.

BTW, this tear-off style is probably quite old. Long ago, I used an early version of ANSYS (for Windows) which apparently was still close to its Unix original, and it had its menus pop up like real windows, with close buttons! They were nicely cascaded, but one could rearrange them.

	▲	simoncion an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> BTW, this tear-off style is probably quite old. Yeah, I agree with that. I was using some ancient X11 program that had tear-off menus, but I'll be fucked if I can remember which one it is. > Yeah, they are meant to be implemented with web technologies and look like shit. Yuuuuuup. If you always take the "yes" side, you'll come out quite a bit ahead of your fellow gamblers for the "Will GNOME make things worse for sophisticated users and call it 'simplicity'?" wager.

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simonask 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

FWIW, they have been unfashionable for much longer than Wayland has been usable, on all platforms.

And that’s understandable. It’s not actually good usability.

	▲	simoncion an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> It’s not actually good usability. They're really great on systems that let you hold a modifier key and then a mouse button to drag windows around... rather than requiring you to find the very-small-compared-to-the-size-of-the-entire-window portion of the window you can click to change the window position. They get even better when you're on a system that reliably remembers the position of application windows. Folks who have never used a system that lets you relocate and resize windows without first moving your mouse cursor to "blessed" regions of the window absolutely do not know what they're missing. > ...they have been unfashionable... Fashion is for people who love doing busywork. Where fashion gets nasty is when that busywork makes a bunch of work for everyone else.