You’re not really accounting for where the money for those “naturally rising wages” come from. A restaurant in the US is making the same (or frankly less) than it used to 10 years ago accounting for inflation. They can’t really afford to pay people more because of the higher consumer index. So the only real option is shutting down. Or in the US for farming. They already run on razor thin margins with a lot of variability from weather, pests etc. They were essentially making it work because of illegal immigrant labor. Now that Florida increased its crackdown on illegal labor around 30% of orange orchards have disappeared in a few years and probably a lot more as time goes on.

If you want to go back to your ethnostate fantasy, people are going to have to go back to consuming what you can produce in your own country. So Switzerland is going back to a diet of essentially bread and cheese and frankly I don’t think they grow enough grain for the bread.

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Saline9515 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's ok to have less restaurants? I prefer to have less restaurants and staff that isn't treated like slaves?

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dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Slaves my ass. If they had it worse than where they were coming from they wouldn’t be there. It’s also not just less restaurants, it’s wiping out the main streets of most small towns like conglomerates did in the US and that the US has been able to painfully rebuild because of Mexican/immigrant labor in the kitchens and back offices. And that’s not mentioning the immigrants that essentially run the entire US economic engine. Indians alone are responsible for founding 21% of the US’ unicorns/billion dollar companies being 1.5% of the population.

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Saline9515 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't care if working here in a sweatshop is marginally better. I don't want Indian dalits being used to be treated like outcasts in their host society and earning 100€ a month to be the lowest bidder for work in mine.

Besides, what you say is plainly false. Hairdressers are for instance in majority locals, command rather high rates, and are in demand. Maybe we also don't need 6 malls per medium-sized town either.

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dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course you don’t care. You don’t have to worry about how a nation functions. You want your wages to be high, taxes low and your social welfare to keep functioning with a 0.9 birth rate.

Also, I don’t believe very many Dalits actually end up leaving India. Indian affirmative action means they essentially get a lot of the best college spots and governments jobs and it’s too cushy to leave.

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Saline9515 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Actually, if wages are high and taxes are low, chances are that the birth rate will rise :-)

And yes, the principle of public policy should be to care for one's own people first. Maybe India should have not been so nationalistic and allowed the English rulers to stay, so that financiers in London could continue to make fortunes out of the empire? How petty and egoistical of the Indians, right?

	▲	dyauspitr an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> Actually, if wages are high and taxes are low, chances are that the birth rate will rise Absolutely incorrect. There is not one case of this happening, infact it’s the exact opposite. It’s a common fallacy. The only correlation for birth rate is that it is inversely correlated with women’s education.

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lovich 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Pedantry, because the crackdown on labor certainly didn’t help, but the Florida orange orchards shutting down is mostly due to the citrus greening disease that’s wiping out the farms similar to how the gros Michael banana was wiped out last century[1]

[1] https://www.wlrn.org/business/2026-03-23/florida-oranges-cit...