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| ▲ | satvikpendem 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure what you're talking about, I explicitly said those are concentration camp conditions, so obviously yes Nazis murdered many people while making them work in factories. Seems like you think I think they didn't. But modern factory conditions are nowhere near what that regime did. If you want to know, work in a factory. That is what I mean by not equating concentration camp contidions to working in a modern factory. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do modern factories hire enough people to absorb the whole population as workers? | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > But modern factory conditions are nowhere near what that regime did. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53481253 > Reports by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) and the US Congress, among others, have found that thousands of Uighurs have been transferred to work in factories across China, under conditions the ASPI report said "strongly suggest forced labour". It linked those factories to more than 80 high-profile brands, including Nike, Apple and Gap. > China, which is believed to have detained more than one million Uighurs in internment camps in Xinjiang, has described its programmes - which reportedly include forced sterilisation - as job training and education. | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | China is a different story altogether. They're not democratic so of course you'd expect to see things like that. | | |
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| ▲ | ToValueFunfetti 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You seem to be missing a very important part of that history when you make this comparison, and it's a part that I can't imagine you aren't aware of. Not stating that is not "accurately stating history", it's lying by a vile glaring omission. The US also rounded up racial undesirables into camps and used them for labor, but there's a reason that Roosevelt is looked upon more fondly than goddamn Hitler. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The US also rounded up racial undesirables into camps and used them for labor This was also bad, yes. > there's a reason that Roosevelt is looked upon more fondly than goddamn Hitler Sure, but "less bad" isn't the same as "internment good", and the winners write the history. I am a fan of FDR! But he did some miserable shit to win a war that needed to be won, some of which we cringe at now. A handful of Nazi war crime prosecutions fell apart because Allied troops widely did the same thing, for example. | | |
| ▲ | ToValueFunfetti 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This doesn't respond to my point at all. I tell you that it is ahistorical, dishonest, and disrespecful to equate subsistence farmers being forced into subsistence factory work by globalization and economic conditions with the holocaust, the mass deliberate extermination of Jews, Romani, Slavs, the disabled, etc. because one uses slavery and the other uses something that you consider comparable to slavery. Your answer is that less bad things are also bad? Sure, yeah, but they're nevertheless less bad and shouldn't be treated as equal. Not to make light of poor working conditions, dirt wages, and child labor. They can be and should be addressed. But they're not genocide and throwing out a "Arbeit macht frei!" is gross here. | | |
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