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JimmyBuckets 8 hours ago

This completely negates the fact that due to how the labor market is structured, most people who sell their labour to survive are in a disadvantageous position for the negotiation you are talking about. What you are talking about works well in a basic economics text book but does not translate to the real world.

stephbook 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The cleaning lady at SpaceX doesn't do a better job than that at Walmart. So why should she be paid more?

You think she's doing the heavy lifting there? Creating the billions? While the underperformer at VideoBuster / Radio Shack is responsible for tanking the business? That's just not true.

FromTheFirstIn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Finally, the case for exploitation! So brave to say people who do physical labor deserve less.

hparadiz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's lots of physical labor jobs that pay more. It's all about doing something others can't.

stephbook 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I didn't say that. You misunderstood me. Read again.

FromTheFirstIn 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You are saying that, you just value physical labor so little you no longer recognize it. Read again.

therealdrag0 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If you think they were commenting on physical labor your reading comprehension is poor. The example job could have been a “non physical” job, say the hallway CCTV monitor, and made the same point.

FromTheFirstIn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Their point is that labor they consider low impact or menial doesn’t drive returns, and therefore shouldn’t share in the returns. You’re right that the labor being physical is incidental, really they’re just classist/elitist and any job they consider beneath them would fit this model, while others wouldn’t. There’s a reason they chose a cleaner (and a woman!) instead of a product manager or CPA, though the quality is also unlikely to differ between spaceX and Walmart there.

Speaking of reading comprehension, they didn’t address the core argument of the person they were responding to, which is that labor that falls “beneath the fold” of this class line is not able to negotiate aggressively due to the inelastic costs of food, shelter, and basic necessities. It doesn’t matter how “high impact” you are, if you’re negotiating and need to eat you’ll accept any amount that lets you eat.

In fact, having impact or driving revenue is never the most important factor to reaping the rewards. Anyone who’s worked for a few years with their eyes open should reach this conclusion unless they have some strong motivation not to.

yunwal an hour ago | parent [-]

> which is that labor that falls “beneath the fold” of this class line is not able to negotiate aggressively due to the inelastic costs of food, shelter, and basic necessities.

Not to mention the U.S. encourages organization of the capitalist class while breaking up (often by force) organization of the working class, so any attempt at the working class gaining leverage in this negotiation is artificially limited.

FromTheFirstIn an hour ago | parent [-]

Watch out, an AI bro is about to tell you you can’t read!

babelfish 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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