Part of it is work, yes. But consider. How much is your take home as a fund manager with 100M AUM? How much is your take home with 10B AUM? The work is the same, yet if the take home is different, you've proven that your income is not in fact earned through work in a moral sense.

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taffer 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> The work is the same, yet if the take home is different, you've proven that your income is not in fact earned through work in a moral sense.

You could say the same about musicians and authors. Are they immoral as well?

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atq2119 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, the same is absolutely true for many other professions. And artists are probably more aware than most, at least on average, how much luck plays a role.

But note that I have been very careful not to call the fund managers individually immoral.

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taffer 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I fail to see the moral problem with being able to write a book that millions or even billions of people can enjoy. To me that's a feature, not a bug.

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atq2119 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Of course that is a feature, but at this point I have to suspect that you're willfully ignoring the point.

The moral problems begin when writing that book gives you extraordinary power beyond what is healthy for society (which is extremely rare for authors, of course; the discussion isn't really about authors, you just invoked them in an attempt to conjure a moral shield for the people who are the real problem).

And again, even that in itself is still not a moral failing of the individual. It's primarily a failure of the system in which the individual operates.

It does become a moral failing of the individual if the individual uses that power to perpetuate the system.

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ForHackernews 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Work on your reading comprehension. The comment you're replying to specifically said they were not impugning the morality of artists or fund managers.

Making great art is wonderful, but it's certainly not "work" the same way that digging a ditch or answering tech support calls is.

	▲	taffer 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [1] I was talking specifically about the moral implications of books that can be read without any additional work from the author. This statement is about books, not authors. > but it's certainly not "work" the same way that digging a ditch I don't think so. Value comes from utility, not from toil. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html