I agree! The concerns must have been very serious indeed to overcome Amazon's strong incentives to not bring them up and let Anthropic keep pulling in the revenue from their new frontier model.

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ezekg 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Or they're trying to hype up an investment...

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SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That doesn't really make sense. If Amazon wanted to build hype, wouldn't they have talked publicly about this? What's the point of working hard on a hype strategy and then delivering it only in private to government officials?

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throwaway85825 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The export ban exists to hype the capabilities of the much more expensive but only marginally better model.

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SpicyLemonZest an hour ago | parent [-]

The model that they can't currently sell at all because they don't have the capability to limit it to US persons?

	▲	throwaway85825 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Opus was already rate limited. If the capacity isn't there its better just used for hype.

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aaronrobinson 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Begs the question why they didn’t present that info to Anthropic directly and if they did why they didn’t act

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SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It does. Anthropic mentions (https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access) they consider jailbreaks that "provide no Mythos-specific uplift" to be minor findings; perhaps they couldn't agree on what kinds of capabilities were unlocked by the jailbreak Amazon found.

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tiahura 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Very questionable and tone deaf response from Anthropic. Irrelevant whether it’s specific to Mythos or Haiku. Dario seems to be looking for an exit.

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SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago | parent [-]

As a guy who's historically been a big Anthropic defender, I should acknowledge that I agree with what you're saying and expected a much better response. I have no idea what the underlying jailbreak is or if they're right it's not a big deal, but if you take the power of modern AI seriously, you should be pretty sympathetic to the government's actions here even if you think they got it wrong in this case.

(Could the explanation be that Anthropic doesn't take the power of modern AI seriously, and they only pretend to as a marketing strategy towards people like me? I can't rule out the possibility entirely, but I'm still pretty confident it can't be as simple as a deliberate IPO pump and dump, there's too much that doesn't make sense from that angle.)

	▲	tiahura 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think the explanation is just ordinary arrogance. “AI is too dangerous for them to develop. We, of course, know what we’re doing.”

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margalabargala 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's one potential interpretation. There are many others.

Hyping an investment, as mentioned.

If they have continued access, being able to use the tool when others cannot to get ahead.

Amazon's incentives are not so clear or simple as your first interpretation. It's important to think about these things beyond a moment's glance. With practice you will improve!