> Like go ahead and find me the functional distinction between Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

As far as I know the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising:

1. did not involve rape, kidnapping, torture and imprisonment of civilians.

2. the people in the ghetto were on the verge of being shipped off to concentration camps and being killed in gas chambers

3. they had been suffering from rampant disease and starvation before the fighting.

There is a lot wrong with Israel, but to compare it to Nazi Germany is just ridiculous. Nazi ideology was based on rejecting conventional morality, glorifying war and violence, and social Darwinist scientific racism. They did not just set out to seize territory or resources, as many countries and Empires have, but to deliberately wipe out whole peoples.

> we're locking up grandmothers indefinitely for holding up signs that say "Palestine Action" [7].

She was held for 12 hours for breaking a law banning shows of support for proscribed terrorist groups. While I oppose that law its not what you suggest.

I'll direct you to the Nat Turner rebellion [1]. Or the practice of "necklacing" in apartheid South AFrica [2]. Or the Mau Mau rebellion [3]. As Nelson Mandela put it [4]:

> A freedom fighter learns the hard way that it is the oppressor who defines the nature of the struggle, and the oppressed is often left no recourse but to use methods that mirror those of the oppressor. At a certain point, one can only fight fire with fire.

History didn't begin on October 7. October 7 was the culmination of (then) 75 years of oppression, ethnic cleansing, colonial violence, collective punishment, starvation, the denial of clean water, the denial of electricity and other basics and making conditions generally unlivable. Israeli tactics included "mowing the grass" [5] and putting Palestinians "on a diet" [6][7]. Palestinians are often held without trial [8] and when there is a trial it's a sham in front of a military tribunal. And this doesn't even touch the constant settler violence in the West Bank.

One reason we say the oppressor sets the level of violence is what happens with peaceful protests, such as the Great March of Return [9]. What happened? Israelis used them as target practice [10][11].

October 7 was violent, no question. but there were also a lot of lies about what happened [12][13][14].

And whatever you think about the tactics or outcomes of October 7, Israel has done an October 7 every day since October 7.

One point:

> the people in the ghetto were on the verge of being shipped off to concentration camps and being killed in gas chambers

There's actually no evidence they knew that. The Nazis went to great lengths to deceive such populations that they were being resettled.

and

> they had been suffering from rampant disease and starvation before the fighting.

Which is different, how?

> ... proscribed terrorist groups ...

That's how state violence works. It makes things illegal. There was a time when slavery was legal. Does that make opposing it wrong? Apartheid in South Africa was legal. Apartheid in Israel is "legal".

[1]: https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/nat-turner-in-gaza/

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/aug/18/uncovering-trut...

[4]: https://eamonka.com/2010/03/25/6-great-quotes-from-mandelas-...

[5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass

[6]: https://imeu.org/resources/resources/putting-palestinians-on...

[7]: https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/02/25/israel-denied-pasta-to-...

[8]: https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200910_withou...

[9]: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-gre...

[10]: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/two-years-on-people-inju...

[11]: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-ma...

[12]: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/nyt-screams/

[13]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/12/white-house-walks-...

[14]: https://www.thepipd.com/content/blog/israeli-major-disinform...