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| ▲ | oliwarner 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh, get in the bin. Conflating Israeli-sanctioned malevolence with "Jewish people" is incredibly unhelpful to the discussion. | |
| ▲ | crote 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I'm sure it's just a coincidence, though. Yes, actually. The Israeli state is not synonymous with Judaism, so let's not promote the classic "All Jewish bankers are greedy and evil" antisemitic trope. Blackrock and Blackstone are of course evil in the same ways as all other major investment firms, but if you believe the Jewish identity of some of their founders has anything to do with that or if they have anything to do with the Palestinian genocide you better provide proof. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | BlackRock is one of the largest shareholders of Palantir. Larry Fink doesn't hide his support of Israel's war efforts. The proof is right there, you barely have to look for it. Of course, I'm sure none of this matters, because modern progressives walk a very fine line between taking a moral stance against the horrors committed by Israel, while strictly being allowed to criticize only the Israeli government itself as some sort of abstract entity completely detached from its citizens and religion to avoid "antisemitism" (the polar opposite of how Russia's war efforts have been criticized, in which every Russian citizen is often assumed to be complicit in some way). | | |
| ▲ | oliwarner an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > criticize only the Israeli ... detached from its ... religion to avoid "antisemitism" Because Israel, despite its claims, does not talk for every Jew, and tarring every Jew with the sins of the state is antisemitic. No weaselly air quotes required. It shouldn't be a tough concept to hold but so many do, just as many Islamophobics do when some dickhead in a cave does something awful. My broader point was you need to check yourself. Perpetrating these lazy racist stereotypes just forces moderate people into tribes and the discussion never moves on. | |
| ▲ | armchairhacker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > the polar opposite of how Russia's war efforts have been criticized, in which every Russian citizen is often assumed to be complicit in some way Well they’re wrong. I know many Russians and every one is talented and kind, unsurprisingly every one speaks against the war. The same (flawed) argument can be made that every Palestinian is complicit in the atrocities committed by Hamas. Or that every American is complicit in Trump’s tomfoolery. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I completely agree, I was just trying to make a point about the inconsistency between criticism of Russia and criticism of Israel at the peak of both nations' wars. Unconditional hatred towards every citizen for their government's actions is obviously not logical. As is often the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle. You shouldn't expect every person who is a Russian citizen or of Russian descent to support Putin, but if a person of Russian descent does openly support Putin, it's safe to assume the two things might be correlated. Similarly, if a person of Jewish descent openly supports the Israeli government, acting like those things can't possibly be correlated doesn't make sense, either. |
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| ▲ | tclancy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you all would shut your hateful traps for a year or so, we might be able to have a productive discussion about what a horror show the Israeli government has become. But we can’t because you all have to pop up out of gopher holes thinking we are antisemitic too and the whole process starts over again because this sort of useful idiot provides cover to the defenders of these war crimes. |
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