As a non-US citizen I guess this is the last money I pay to US companies for AI then.

I can't help but wonder if it's now obvious that frontier AI work should not happen in the US.

I can understand the KYC aspect of this, but at the same time, how can anyone trust US based AI after this? Maybe this is a continuation of the Pentagon feud, or it's revenge, or it's a KYC play. Either way, you've got a government willing to shut down companies sales over arbitrary reasons.

Ironically, I mostly have a subscription to Claude for work, which is primarily for US baed companies.

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ViscountPenguin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In my experience, US citizens are completely blind to how much stuff like this makes citizens of other countries hate their government (which often, unfortunately, bleeds over to hate for US citizens; not that I condone hating any group of people based on the actions of their state)

The US has spent the last 12ish years betting that they're the only country that matters, but the end of result of that is that somehow when I talk to Australians in my age group the average person has a more positive opinion towards China even than the US.

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joxdosba an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The average American voter primarily uses their vote in an effort to hurt other people who might support a different team.

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ronsor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The default orientation of Americans toward government is already skepticism and distrust. The average person is questioning "why did you ever like the government in the first place?"

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themacguffinman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't believe that at all, the average person voted for this government.

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nearlyepic 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The average person didn't vote.

	▲	themacguffinman an hour ago \| parent [-]
		If you're referring to voters staying home, staying home is a vote for their state's majority. There's no sense in which the average citizen in a democracy is not responsible for the outcome of a democratic vote.

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Aeolun 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that any surprise? China has been very good about not fucking with other countries even though they absolutely have the capability to.

	▲	ViscountPenguin 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I think that really depends on which country you live in. My country has only had a few relatively minor spats with China, Vietnam less so.

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edg5000 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So you're going to use DeepSeek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi and Mistral now? I tried them, and they really fall short of GPT and Claude.

Without access to US models, I'd be limited to asking simple questions in chat interfaces and maybe some grunt work in coding CLIs, but even that the weak models will mess up.

Nothing has reached Opus and GPT5 levels in my personal experience, which also aligns with what the labs themselves admit ("near-frontier").

	▲	data-ottawa 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Well I am definitely not using the models that I'm not able to access. So now the question is whether the capabilities of other models are worth their far cheaper token prices. Plus, are we at all confident Opus or GPT 5.5 aren't about to get shut off?