| ▲ | PedroBatista 9 hours ago |
| The cheapest EV model Renault sells is around €20K, the cheapest BMW EV is around €65K. It's safe to say the companies are not in the market bracket, no? |
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| ▲ | lostlogin 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The bit the gets me more than the sale price is servicing. BMWs have a terrible record for needing expensive repairs. I know you shouldn’t rely on anecdote, but it seems I do. |
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The only way I would buy a BMW is if it were an EV. I’m just not brave (or rich) enough to buy their ICEs. | | |
| ▲ | mjanx123 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The BMW inline 6 were the best engines ever. Their inline 4 and other are a strong contender for the worst engines ever. |
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| ▲ | throwaway2037 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > BMWs have a terrible record for needing expensive repairs.
EVs? That makes no sense. EVs are so much simpler to maintain compared to ICEs. | | |
| ▲ | IshKebab 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | In theory they should be, but EVs also tend to be more computerised, proprietary and locked down than ICE cars, so in practice I think it's not as simple as that. For example there was that case of the car that needed an entire new sealed €5k battery controller because it was in a minor crash and blew a fuse. My garage charges 50% more for labour on EVs. I'm sure part of that is price discrimination but I bet part is also because working on them is more difficult. I would not be surprised if they need to pay more for access to the manufacturer's diagnostic tools too, which are becoming increasingly required. | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you take care of the car it’s just brake pads, tires, rotors. Pads and rotors are really simple to DIY. Tires are more expensive than like… an Elantra, but if you’re buying a 60k car you can afford 1.2k in tires… otherwise don’t buy the car. If you get into an accident or let the bmw get into disrepair via neglect, yeah it’s not cheap to clean up. Body work is expensive on any car though, and I don’t have sympathy for people who own higher-end cars and don’t take care of them, they deserve to pay the price for it. | | |
| ▲ | scheme271 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's more than that though. Any repairs due to wear and tear or whatever, ends up being really expensive. Although you can probably reduce the costs a bit if you get the non-branded OEM part or potentially the same part from another manufacturer (e.g. the toyota supra uses a lot of bmw parts so if the toyota part might be cheaper than the same bmw part). | | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That was my whole point actually, the wear and tear is really minimal if you get regular oil changes. Things don’t just break and need replacing. Tires, rotors, brakes, those wear out. The tires are not cheap, rotors and pads aren’t crazy expensive and super easy to DIY. What other wear and tear things are expensive? | | |
| ▲ | sroussey 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | After 22 years, my z4 has needed batteries and a starter. Recently, there was a problem with the engine misfiring but it was $200. LA, California | | |
| ▲ | regularfry an hour ago | parent [-] | | If you had bought a 7 or 5 Series at that time, you would not have had that experience. The 2001 7 Series had something like a 25% roadside breakdown rate. |
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| ▲ | nandomrumber 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | nine_k 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's still good to know that SOTA is further, and we can expect the more advanced designs to seep into more affordable segments. |
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| ▲ | tencentshill 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| BMW also produces Mini EVs, which start at £26,840 |
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| ▲ | bgarbiak 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The cheapest Minis are made by GWM in China, and are using different motors and batteries. However, comparing prices between cars nowadays is a complicated matter. BMW's iX1 and iX2 (they use the BMW EESM motors) theoretically cost about €55k, but they have been very recently available to lease for about €250 euro per month - so pretty much for the same price as the cheapest electric Renault if leased. |
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| ▲ | alephnerd 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They share the same OEMs, and both are following the same ex-China automotive strategy. Renault has also been thumbing China recently for undermining EU manufacturing as well [0] while China has returned to using Wolf Warrior diplomacy against Europe [1][2][3][4] using the same rhetoric that the Trump admin uses. Of course, under the Xi admin China's foreign policy has always viewed the EU as inferior and a has-been [5] and has become an active participant in the Ukraine War [6][7]. Europe might not be able to trust the US, but it can't trust China either. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/renault-ceo-asks-eu-enco... [1] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1361926.shtml [2] - https://www.chinausfocus.com/finance-economy/dear-brussels-d... [3] - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202605/1362161.shtml [4] - http://news.china.com.cn/2026-06/10/content_118541873.shtml [5] - https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.ht... [6] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russians-... [7] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/12/8039041/ |
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| ▲ | fnord77 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| same order of magnitude :) |
