Mentioned in another HN thread [0]:

They're also used by Nissan [1], BMW [2], and Indian EVs [3].

European firms like ZF, Valeo, MAHLE, and Schaffler along with British firms like AEM have been working with their Indian JVs as well as Indian players like Sona Comstar and Sterling for a couple years now to integrate supply chains for mass-producing EESMs.

EESMs as well as the larger OEM story played a role in helping land the EU-India and the UK-India FTAs because the supply chains for French+Italian (Renault, Stellantis), Japanese (Toyota, Honda, Suzuki), Korean (Hyundai-Kia), and Indian automotive manufacturers merged.

On the other hand, EESM EVs aren't a thing here in North America nor China yet as both primarily use PMSMs (edited typo).

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48510402

[1] - https://leandesign.com/nissan-ariya-magnet-free-motor-teardo...

[2] - https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/02/20/bmw-gen6-electric-motors-...

[3] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/india-revs-up-alternate-...

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> does Nissan still use these motors, the car in the linked article has been discontinued

Yes. The Ariya was discontinued in North America (EDIT: USA, TIL still sold in Canada) but is still manufactured and sold in Asia.

> European and Indian manufacturers/engineering are definitely not in the same category though

It's the same manufacturers and supply chain now.

Renault and their OEMs are the biggest driver for EESM, and Renault's largest markets and manufacturing hubs are France, India, and Romania. Heck, Renault is now going to start exporting it's Made in India cars and parts back to the EU [0] becuase of the EU-India FTA.

And the European OEMs have transferred the IP for EESMs to Indian JVs as I mentioned. It's the same style of tech transfer as Samsung did for BYD and TDK for CATL for battery chemistry in the 2000s. Heck, Valeo [1], MAHLE [2], ZF [3], and Schaffler [4] are opening and expanding factories and R&D hubs dedicated to EV transmission manufacturing in India for domestic and export usecases.

Also, if you've ever driven a Japanese (Toyota, Honda, Suzuki) or Korean (Hyundai, Kia) make care in the EU, Australia, Middle East, Africa, or Asia outside of their home countries their parts sourcing and even the entire manufactured car would have come from India, such as the Toyota Urban Cruiser EV [5].

[0] - https://m.economictimes.com/industry/auto/auto-news/india-eu...

[1] - https://www.valeo.com/en/valeo-inaugurates-new-electric-powe...

[2] - https://auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/auto-technolo...

[3] - https://press.zf.com/press/en/releases/release_66050.html

[4] - https://www.basispointinsight.com/Story/schaeffler-india-ope...

[5] - https://newsroom.toyota.eu/the-all-new-toyota-urban-cruiser/

No, and it was mentioned by the consortium of European cars manufacturers after the joint press release with Der Leyen herself: the implementation of factories and research centers in India is solely to be able to sell on that market. It is the exact same process that happened with China in the past. The exact same also happened with Airbus.

You are also wrong on the market importance for Renault. For 2024, France was the biggest, followed by Italy, Turkey, Spain, Germany, Brazil, UK, Morocco, BENELUX, Romania, Poland, Netherlands and... #13 India with 0.9% market share...

Supply chains didn't change at all, in fact it did the opposite, and Europeans won't rely on anything Indian made for the near future, as local re-industrialization is already acted on and even accelerated since the pandemic.

Production numbers across all manufacturers even Volkswagen (which was unexpected) show the number of cars manufactured in Europe increased in the past 2 years.

Electric cars in Europe mostly come from China, the US and European brands. Nothing Indian-made, not even parts.

Not sure why this was voted down, it was the most useful comment here.

does Nissan still use these motors, the car in the linked article has been discontinued, and then only real info I can find on their site about the leaf is about their ROCKIN' bose sound system/s

European and Indian manufacturers/engineering are definitely not in the same category though.

> The Ariya was discontinued in North America but is still manufactured and sold in Asia.

The Nissan Ariya is NOT discontinued in North America. Nissan no longer sells it in the USA because of Trump's tariff war.

The Nissan Ariya is still sold in Canada.

what is a prsm? Do you mean pmsm?