| ▲ | Looking Forward to Postgres 19: It's About Time(pgedge.com) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 129 points by xngbuilds 6 hours ago | 37 comments | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | pjungwir 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Hey I worked on this! Thank you to everyone here saying they are excited about it. I often hear doubts that anyone wants this. Perhaps that's why vendors have been so slow to add it. And thank you 'bonesmoses for writing about it! We are still missing system time, but if no one else wants to work on it, I hope to tackle that soon. I have a lot of other ideas for improvement beyond SQL:2011, too. Here is a talk I gave last month about my personal roadmap: https://illuminatedcomputing.com/pages/pgconf2026-temporal-r... I've also been vibecoding a lisp REPL to play with the algebra of temporal relational operators (important for the planner): https://github.com/pjungwir/relsim That overlaps with my attempt to write implementations for temporal semi/anti/outer-join and other relops: https://github.com/pjungwir/temporal_ops If anyone has comments about what you'd like to see, I'm happy for feedback! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | IgorPartola 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This is something that is incredibly useful. I built a system like this a while back that also adds versioning to each time period. The use case is this: let’s say you are tracking your state’s sales tax rate. You do not control this and data entry is manual so it is error prone. The rate is updated typically annually but sometimes more frequently. Let’s say for 2026 you have it at 7.25% and you entered that into the system ahead of time (say December 2025). Today, June 12 you learn that it should have been 7.35%. It would be incorrect to say that the rate changed today: it was 7.35% since January 1. But you also don’t want to lose the fact that all your invoices have been generated using the wrong rate because if you go to recalculate them you will get a different answer. In this case what you do is create version 2 of the rate in your database with the same time period but the correct rate. This would allow your other database objects to reference either version 1 or 2 and to even recalculate all the objects that reference version 1 to now reference version 2 such that you can get line item corrections and figure out what to do about them. It is cumbersome to use but for the specific use case of modeling real world laws that are not available as machine-readable info it is the best option I came up with. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | munk-a 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It can be super ugly to try and hand-manage date time range manipulation in a system with moving parts. It is, of course, possible, but it's a headache to try and pull it off when there is complex business logic focused on those datetimes and interactions between ranges. The period constraint is an excellent tool for trivially guaranteeing range coverage (in a case where, for instance, a customer is known to be active from a to b it helps ensure that there aren't any gaps created during the juggling of different sub-ranges) while the new DELETE FOR PERIOD OF syntax makes manipulating swathes of history (I don't care what was happening here this interval should now be X) much more trivial than before. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | mrinterweb an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This would have made my life so much easier. I wrote a medical scheduling calendar application about 1.5 years ago. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | fabian2k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Some kind of versioning is extremely important for certain use cases. And having it a core DB feature makes it easier to show that you implement that checkbox. One thing I'm wondering about is the performance of temporal tables for the common case, when you only query current rows. When you manually version tables, one strategy is to have a second table that contains archived versions. So your main table only has the current rows, avoiding a performance hit for having many versions per entry. Is there a way to do this with temporal tables? For example partitioning between active and old rows? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | speedbird 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Talk about back to the future. Pre-SQL Postgres had time travel. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | qsera an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Couldn't this be done by having an update log with a timestamp? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | larsnystrom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Why are they storing a time period (start and end date) in the first example? Why not just store the date when the price comes into effect? That would make both overlaps and time travel impossible without using any constraints. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | MBCook 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ooh fantastic. I’ve been using date ranges plus GIST indexes for like a decade to do this. It’s really nice. But the lack of foreign keys can be painful. I’ve resorted to stored procedures for crates and updates to ensure everything is done right and enforced. This is WAY easier. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | bhaak 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I remember reading about this feature for Oracle in the 2000s and was always interested to use it in a production environment. It never came to pass when we used Oracle, maybe now with Postgres I will finally have a chance at it. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bonesmoses 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Postgres 19 is looking to be a solid release. I don't think I've seen this much "new" stuff in a single version since v10 came out. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | oveja 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Oh man this is really good. I have had to do some gist exclusions for payment data and it was clunky. Hopefully we get the other half of bitemporal support with postgres 20! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ris 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Cool feature, but I'm a little uneasy with UPDATE operations adding new rows to a table. It upsets a lot of a DBA's assumptions. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | frrlpp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Una breve historia del tiempo. J. L. Borges, cool subtitle. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | cherryteastain 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Very useful feature for trading systems where the exchange might tell you your order got filled but then send a trade correction or bust message | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jacques_chester 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Exciting. Honestly I expect this will do more to advance bitemporal design than decades of jawboning has. And really, ranges are an amazing substrate for this. I've had to do this by hand in a ... less featuresome ... SQL-speaking DB and it was clunky and performed fairly unimpressively. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | evdubs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Recently, a new type of question has entered the database arena: what did this data look like last Tuesday? This question has been answerable in Dolt for years now. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | quotemstr 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Great! I've been wanting native time-based tables for ages. Years and years ago, I even wrote my own DB engine to get them! See https://dancol.org/dctv/index.xml I still think there's a lot of value in first-class syntax for time queries. Splitting ranges like Postgres 19 does is a good first step, but there's also a lot of power in broadcasting over these ranges, combining them in various ways, and storing multiple, independent ranges in a single table. Ignore the bit about active development: these days, it'd take more sense to add the operators I describe to Postgres and DuckDB than to make a numpy-based engine just to host the analysis. This work predates DuckDB, and it's reassuring that DuckDB (and now Postgres) are thinking along similar lines. I'm also glad that in the intervening years "data lake"-style analysis has become more prominent. My ideal data processing pipeline consists of sourcing from raw data and pipelining views all the way to human-meaningful outputs. Materialization, if it occurs, is just an optimization. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||