I think any new model not demonstrably maybe 20-30% over Deepseek v4 capabilities priced over the price per token of Deepseek is almost automatically deprecated as low use model (maybe for Planning).

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giancarlostoro 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is Deepseek just eating cost or are people able to host their open models for comparable costs?

	▲	psittacus 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If openrouter is to be trusted, the cheapest offers that are not from Deepseek itself are: - twice as expensive on the output (1.52 vs 0.87) - six times as expensive on the input (0.33 vs 0.05) https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro?sort=price#pr...
	▲	trollbridge 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Other people are hosting it in the same order of magnitude. Xioami recently matched DeepSeek’s pricing.
	▲	natrys 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		These things enormously benefit from economies of scale. I am fairly certain their margins might be low but they don't actually sell API at loss, however that doesn't mean your cost footprint would be anywhere as low.
	▲	re-thc 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		They focused on caching and other optimizations.
	▲	rsanek 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Likely CCP-subsidized

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0xbadcafebee an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

DeepSeek v4 Pro is not actually that good a model compared to GLM 5.1 and Kimi K2.6. It's an okay coder/thinker for the price.