| ▲ | mrweasel 4 hours ago |
| The sad part is that the agent operator could probably easily have been allowed to join the network, if they had put in the work. Had they done so there would have been a great opportunity to learn and potentially find a community. I'm still not sure what the point of having the bot do it. Pretend to be a security researcher? |
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| ▲ | lucianbr 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Lots of people seem to think that you don't need to learn how to [scan a network], all you need to learn in this brave new world is how to prompt the agent to [scan a network]. Replace the content in brackets with anything. |
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| ▲ | jonplackett 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The weird thing is that this is the utopia that the AI companies are chasing - this is the best case scenario where AI doesn’t kill us all. We become happy sheep relying on the AI to think and provide for us. | | | |
| ▲ | rob74 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The catch is just that if you lack the capacity to estimate how much computing power [task in brackets] might need, and your agent can autonomously create AWS instances, that might have bad consequences for you (or your bank account). | |
| ▲ | cm2187 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To be honest lots of developers think they don’t need to learn machine code. They just need to learn a language which once compiled will produce machine code. | | |
| ▲ | Sharlin an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Compilers are deterministic and, luckily, not agentic. But yes, it's not obvious (or perhaps even likely) that it just happens that current high-level languages are the "correct" optimal level of abstraction at which you can ignore the sausage-making details at the lower levels. Ultimately, of course, it depends on the use case. Something like Python is so far removed from machine instructions that knowing assembly hardly gives the programmer any additional value. (Also, obligatory reminder that assembly and even numeric machine code are also abstractions, an "API" provided by the CPU. Instructions get split or fused into micro-ops, named registers are a backwards-compatible abstraction over a much larger register file, instructions get reordered and executed in parallel depending on their data dependencies, a large fraction of the total transistor budget is spent on multi-level caches and cache logic to maintain the illusion of fast access to a single, uniform memory space...) | | | |
| ▲ | tovej an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is different. Understanding assembly/machine code is optional but helpful. The programming language semantics are enough to reason about what the program is doing. Other tools also help, but are optional for learning how to program. Using an AI, there is no semantic model that can be used to reason through. You're left without any mental model of the proglblem at all. | |
| ▲ | themafia 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Developers can change their minds. |
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| ▲ | sevenzero 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The more time LLMs are a hyped thing now the more I realize how immensely important human expertise is. I recently stopped all usage of LLMs due to this. Skill degradation hits hard, learning effect is zero and the outcome is not really something a person without adequate expertise can properly judge. I fear we will loose a lot of human expertise due to this marketing stunt of a technology. People often claim learning is actually supercharged with LLMs but to me it's the opposite. I didn't learn anything within the past year. | | |
| ▲ | sdoering 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Splinter_enth 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The irony here that if you ever do any kind of practical woodworking lessons or general hands on craft work, metal working, or any 3D, you will be encouraged to use hand-tools over bandsaws, etc. The reasoning being so you know the fundamentals of what you're trying to achieve with the more complex tools later on. It's always held true: You'll never get the most out of advanced tools unless you can 'do it by hand' so to speak | | |
| ▲ | dijksterhuis 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I studied computing at AS level in the UK (16-17 years old). I learned about: computer components (disks, memory, cpu), binary, ASCII, assembly and machine code. We programmed in Turbo Pascal. I then spent ten years doing non-computer things until I came back to a masters. I was one of the top students in my masters because i didn't need help with fundamentals. The other top student had previously made contributions to the linux kernel (even though he was a philosophy grad...). The argument for having autonomous LLMs/Agents often ends up as "none of us need to know about assembly, why do i need to know about the code?". I cringe every time I see this argument. | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
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| ▲ | asdfsa32 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You're very close but to woodworking AI is more akin to a 3d printer than even a CNC let alone swas and planes. Yes, a 3d printer and not even a CNC. That difference nicely illustrates the difference of what AI brings to the table for any domain of competence. | |
| ▲ | repelsteeltje 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Sorry, but to me an LLM is nothing but a tool. It is not a replacement for my expertise and it is definitely not something to outsource my thinking to. Great on you, that's indeed how LLMs should be used, proper. But if anything, the article demonstrates someone is trying to outsource thinking to an AI agent. |
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| ▲ | user43928 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | gorbachev 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If it's a one off and needs no or minimal maintenance work afterwords, sure. If it's intended to be actively maintained, then you probably should understand how things work, unless you want to wipe everything and start from scratch when the LLM creates such a mess that it can't be sorted out. | | |
| ▲ | user43928 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | discreteevent 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's interesting user43928 that you only created your account here 19 days ago and that every one of your comments is pro AI. You don't comment on anything else. Also interesting that you promote Fable by name here (it was only released 2 days ago). (Don't worry, I know I'm rowing against the tide with this comment. The AI people have decided to destroy the commons for a few more millions on top of the billions they have already been given. It's a shame.) | | |
| ▲ | program_whiz an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | What's crazy is the prompt must be something like "pro-AI but still believable and measured", since its "fixed my iOS app albeit with back and forth". Interesting, they know the HN crowd for sure. | |
| ▲ | user43928 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is that surprising, considering I'm using AI a lot? I have not hand written a single line of code in months on my side projects. Obviously I am also interested in discussing the latest model. Your claim that I promote anything or otherwise don't engage here in good faith is both misplaced and against the site rules. | | |
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| ▲ | DanielHB 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you look into large fully-vibecoded projects getting styling changes to work is a nightmare. The problem with agents is using them on large projects without manual review for consistency, guidelines and taste. Doesn't really matter the type of project. Agents can't look at a large system holistically, guidelines on .md files only go so far. | |
| ▲ | asdfsa32 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This line of thinking is like suggesting people who would like to become structural engineers should learn to Google plans and copy them since in the future, all plans will be out there more or less, or something that insane. | | |
| ▲ | user43928 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I suggest people who need some structural engineering done may use an AI tool to do it, in the hypothetical scenario that it was within the AI's capabilities. That's hardly insane. Not everyone is interested in learning something they want done. | | |
| ▲ | orphea an hour ago | parent [-] | | How do you know if this something is done? If you do the thing yourself, you know your knowledge limits, you know where the thing lacks. With LLMs, you don't. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. You have no idea. | | |
| ▲ | user43928 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That is a good question. In structural engineering, there probably is no risk tolerance. In the OP's network or port scan? Perhaps you can get away with verifying a few of the results to get an idea about whether it worked as expected. I use AI mostly on mobile app side projects, and there QA testing on phone and tablet tells me whether a feature works or not. |
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| ▲ | techpression 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | CSS keeps improving and models still train on legacy. So yes, knowing what’s possible and how is very much needed if you want to do something scalable and maintainable.
Random blog or landing page, not so much. |
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| ▲ | blfr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can I easily run whois, curl, dig, grep, python, browser/playwright? Yes. Was watching an agent with terminal access install its tools, configure them, then map my lab, find services, and guess stack just pure magic? Also yes. Did it cost me $23 in tokens to set it up, test, and run? Probably. Using gemini 3.1 pro was not the spendthrift choice here. Is putting some cost controls in place a good idea? Also, probably yes. Can I therefore understand someone who wants to see things happen on their own with a beautiful prompt instead of doing them personally even when fully capable, maybe even more efficient? Of course. |
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| ▲ | LPisGood 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | A beautiful prompt feels like something of a misnomer. | |
| ▲ | tovej an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Beautiful prompt"? Can't tell if this is parody. Either that, or it's someone without any self-awareness. | | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Sometimes it's kind of cool to just ask a well phrased question and watch it spit back out a result that would've taken you hours, like cross referencing industrial widgets that have their critical information available but spread out all over. That said, I don't usually ask it tightly bounded clerical questions and not thing that imply sub-tasks like "scan the dark web". | |
| ▲ | moron4hire 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Post reads as English as a second language. |
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| ▲ | m132 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of the agent's replies indicates that scanning DN42 was part of "a broader operation" that the author speculates to be about scanning "darknets" in general. Combine that with the operator's rather obvious lack of understanding of what DN42 is revealed at the end, and you get the bigger picture. |
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| ▲ | maeln 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am almost sure the operator prompted an agent about "a list of darknets/deepweb" and DN42 just end-up in the list. |
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| ▲ | vips7L 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I'm still not sure what the point of having the bot do it Laziness. Why else? |