I'd argue we don't even know what "intelligence" or "self-awareness" mean.

Humans are conscious which means we experience things, then we develop preferences for certain experiences, then we develop skills for achieving those preferences.

Without consciousness, what is there to be aware of? And why would intelligence emerge and/or what end would it serve?

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anon84873628 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Intelligence is the ability to have an internal world model then run simulations on that model to choose an optimal course of action. This is true for humans down to flies. Most of what humans do is still the boring innate stuff; it's just that fancy abstract things like "skydiving" get the most attention.

Clearly other animals have "phenomenological experience" i.e. consciousness / qualia without being as intelligent as humans (or necessarily "self aware"). Many people believe consciousness is simply a side effect of intelligence rather than the other way around.

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chaseadam17 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

How would you determine “an optimal course of action” without consciousness?

Eg we optimize for survival but without the ability to experience things, why survive?

Why would that instinct or any other preference for a course of action emerge?

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anon84873628 2 days ago | parent [-]

Well that is the "hard problem", isn't it :-)

But your body is just a robot suit for replicating nucleic acids and you can follow an unbroken chain of those chemical reactions all the way to the first microbes. Which were still "optimizing for survival" without any intelligence beyond following chemical gradients.

If you say that means even microbes have some amount of qualia then I can't dispute it. Pure physicalism may necessitate panpsychism of some form.

	▲	chaseadam17 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Haha yeah, we're in "who knows" territory. It could just be a foundational truth that all life has an innate unconscious will to survive. However, it makes more sense to me that consciousness precedes the will to survive. And that doesn't mean the way a microbe experiences life is the same as us. E.g. the fact that we have so much control over our environment might mean we have a much more sensitive and reactive way of engaging with consciousness, whereas maybe a microbe is like an enlightened monk, just chillin because it can't do much about what it experiences anyways.

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mountainriver 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Intelligence is the ability to compress information. World models are just one aspect of that

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