> The US has fought multiple proxy wars against the PRoC

That is beyond absurd claim. But, if it was true, then the USA is loosing even more badly. This war is helping exactly two countries - Russia and China.

> The US (and Russia) could always win their current conflicts with ICBMs, but choose not to.

This is copium and in both cases. If Russia could win that conflict, if it could take over, it would do it. If USA could win, they would do it. Heck, if USA was able to walk away from the conflict, at this point it would. It just so happen that Israel does not want to allow it and Iran thinks they are getting into better position with each passing week.

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tristanj 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> [The claim that the US has fought multiple proxy wars against the PRoC] is a beyond absurd claim.

It's easy to list these off the top of my head. There are multiple. Obviously the Korean War, China sent over a million personnel to aid the DPRK and directly battled the US. The Vietnam war was a proxy war, China had over 300,000 troops in North Vietnam, preventing the US from invading the north and ending the conflict. The Russia/Ukraine war is a double-proxy war; both the US and China are arming their respective sides.

The current conflict is also a proxy war. Without China's support for Iran, this war could not have happened. China provides the precursors for Iranian missile fuel, Iran purchased tons of sodium perchlorate from China; China provides the chemicals that are needed for yellowcake and Iran's nuclear program; China provides the parts for Iran's drone program. China also provides the anti-aircraft systems that Iran uses, though so far these have proven to be questionably effective. China has an active part in this conflict, there are Chinese military personnel in Iran actively maintaining their radar systems.

Without China, there are no missiles, there are no nukes, there are no drones. There is no war.

And claiming China benefits from this war is myopic. China has massive investments across the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The war in Iran directly affects the value of these investments, and China's support for Iran is alienating Middle Eastern countries. China is trying to play both sides, but that is not a viable long term strategy.

The previous poster is claiming the US is 'inable' to end the war with Iran; this is trivially false, the US has ICBMs, and can trivially end the war. You have listed the consequences of doing so, yet I was responding to their claim, which is separate matter.

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ponector 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

>Without China, there are no missiles, there are no nukes, there are no drones. There is no war.

You can say the same about other countries trading with Iran. Also Iran had missiles before China started to be a global player.

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watwut 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

USA is not Arming Ukraine anymore nor sending them financial help. Only Europe does that. USA is even refusing deliver arms Europe already bought and paid for.

> The current conflict is also a proxy war. Without China's support for Iran, this war could not have happened.

This is nonsense. War happened with or without Chinas support, because American leadership and Israel wanted it. Iran was not attacked because of Chinese support, Iran was attacked because USA and Israel thought Iran will be easy to defeat.

> Without China, there are no missiles, there are no nukes, there are no drones. There is no war.

Without China, USA would still be starting the war.

> And claiming China benefits from this war is myopic. China has massive investments across the Middle East, especially in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The war in Iran directly affects the value of these investments, and China's support for Iran is alienating Middle Eastern countries.

China is gaining through USA loosing position, wasting missiles and alienating, well pretty much everyone.

> The previous poster is claiming the US is 'unable' to end the war with Iran; this is trivially false, the US has ICBMs, and can trivially end the war.

USA is in fact unable to end the war with Iran. Trump would very much like to end it ... he just cant.

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brokenmachine 2 days ago | parent [-]

Please look up the difference between losing and loosing.

Call me pedantic but it just makes it unpleasant to read.

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defrost 2 days ago | parent [-]

You should assume that a 13 year HN veteran likely knows the difference, is human, and had a mild bout of misfiring fingers.

Small beer in the greater scheme ... and unable to be edited / corrected by the user in question some 12 hours after the comment.

If you're realy that upsit, cun I seggust you emraile HN @ Ycombingnater and ask for a m0d to intravein?

	▲	brokenmachine a day ago \| parent [-]
		OP used the wrong "lose" in two separate comments in the same discussion. That's why no, I don't think the 13 years was enough time. But there's no shame in that, nobody knows everything. I'm not aware of how long anyone has been on HN, bar a very small number of users. Who can be bothered to check histories for everyone you comment to? Fair point about not being able to edit. >If you're realy that upsit Thank you for using the correct "you're". :)

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throw24794 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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