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| ▲ | galangalalgol an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It is less about the us being capable of it, than the us getting out of the way. Japan, India, and SK all have vested interests in preventing further concentration of Chinese mercantilist power. Saying an establishment us president would focus the fury and might of allies is a bit outdated I agree. SK survived a coup, Piland is working on it. Hungary might even pull it off. Maybe the us will right the ship as well vs overcorrect into a different sort of populist autocrat. But even then as you say; That soft power went up in flames. | |
| ▲ | bluGill 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy. They have won the current round of propoganda, but that doesn't mean they are anyone's friend either. | | |
| ▲ | gpm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > They have won the current round of propoganda No, they have won the current round of foreign relations. Threats to invade numerous allies. Blatant war crimes like murdering random people on boats. Violating established and signed trade deals left right and centre. Openly soliciting and accepting bribes. Kidnapping foreign countries citizens and holding them in inhumane camps. None of this is a matter of "propaganda" - it's a matter of actual actions the US is taking. > The leaders there know that China isn't exactly a friend of liberal western democracy. Indeed, but this has never been a prerequisite for trade with liberal western democracies. See for example the gulf monarchies we trade with. It is pretty much a prerequisite for extraordinary actions like successfully asking liberal western democracies to restrict trade though, and the US no longer meets it... | | |
| ▲ | bluGill an hour ago | parent [-] | | > They have won the current round of foreign relations. Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda. If he had won this round you would excuse all those things. Being a friend of liberal western democracies is not a requirement for trade. However it does influence how trade happens. >restrict trade though, and the US no longer meets it... Again, the US lost the current round of propaganda. | | |
| ▲ | gpm an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Which is to say Trump failed at the current round of propaganda. No, it really isn't. "Propaganda" merely refers to communication intended to influence. Trump failed when it came down to actual actions, not just communication. And when he failed in communication it was actual diplomacy meant to come to agreements, not merely the words meant to influence minds. Propaganda is the least of the USes problems right now. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Trumps actions made Chinese propaganda much easier. They are a direct cause of losing the propaganda war. The US has bigger problems, but the propaganda is important since it influences the future. |
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| ▲ | zulux 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Agreed! The CCP still hasn't figured out that we'll take their money and still hate them. Western civilization has been sneaky and duplicitous for centuries, and we're good at it. | |
| ▲ | mjmsmith 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Still, if you're going to buy a car from an enemy of liberal western democracy, you might as well buy BYD over Tesla. |
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