| ▲ | Human migration has surged since 2000 – these maps reveal where people are going(nature.com) |
| 46 points by tzury 2 hours ago | 37 comments |
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| ▲ | mettamage 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| As the article points out. The researcher’s site has an exploratory tool to view the data [1]. [1] https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/ |
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| ▲ | jtbayly 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | That tool could be interesting if there was a way to stop the rendered globe from spinning. As is, it is unusable | | | |
| ▲ | gadders 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you pick 2023/2024 and the UK, you can see the disaster that is the Boris Wave. |
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| ▲ | ricardobeat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Interesting how South America, with several countries made up majorly of immigrants, receives almost no new migrants now. Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians? |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "fleeing" and "replaced" are loaded terms, I don't think you can derive that from this data. That said, there's a lot of workers being imported from Asia to the middle-east for their ambitious construction projects, could that explain it? | |
| ▲ | joseda-hg 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Internal migration has mostly saturated capacity all accross the region in South America It'll take a while until anyone relaxes | |
| ▲ | bcjdjsndon an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians? Persians brought Hinduism to India, so maybe they're returning the favour | | |
| ▲ | rnoises 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Eh? Persians gave the name "Hindus" to the people living in that area. But they had their own religion, Zoroastrianism. They didn't bring Hinduism because they didn't have Hinduism. |
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| ▲ | Supernaut 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Further down the page, there's a link to an article from a couple of years ago, titled "Migration isn’t increasing". So which is it? |
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| ▲ | swiftcoder an hour ago | parent [-] | | There's a quote from one of the study authors: "Because previous estimation methods relied on coarse five-year snapshots,
they yielded very few data points and created the impression that the rate
of global migration flows was stable," adds co-author Guy Abel, a research
scholar in the Migration and Sustainable Development Research Group of the
IIASA Population and Just Societies Program and professor at the University
of Hong Kong. "Our annual data provides a clearer picture, revealing that
this rate has actually risen since 2000. This upward trend appears to be
driven by long-term demographic shifts and economic development rather than
sudden, isolated crises."
So if I'm following correctly, when you look at coarse data, you miss a lot of the smaller-scale migration, and that small-scale migration pushes the totals up a lot? | | |
| ▲ | bcjdjsndon an hour ago | parent [-] | | Their dataset is so pathetically small you can't infer anything from it. There are still people alive from the India/Pakistan migration in 48 and that would be number one on this list |
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| ▲ | swiftcoder an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fascinating to see that MENA is a net positive on migration. There's often a lot of rhetoric around MENA migration to Europe and North America, but you hear much less about migration to MENA countries. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The Gulf states take in a lot of migrant workers, who have basically no labour rights there. https://www.ilo.org/regions-and-countries/arab-states/united... "The UAE hosts some 8.7 million migrant workers – equivalent to over 80 per cent of the country’s resident population – making it one of the largest foreign labour-receiving countries in the world. With Emirati nationals mainly employed in the public sector, migrant workers constitute the bulk of private sector employment" | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think people underestimate how many people move back to their home country once they have a better chance (through e.g. education or money) and / or when the situation there improves (e.g. stability). It's why I don't understand why the anti-immigration parties don't do more internationally to help other countries. | |
| ▲ | nirav72 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Isn't migration to MENA - specifically migration to North Africa mainly from Sub-Saharan part of Africa? |
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| ▲ | nobrains an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why has , recently, Pakistan been seen added more and more to a new category "MENAP" and separate from South Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh) ? These classifications should be geographic and could even racial, but it seems this new classification (MENAP) seems more "religious" |
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| ▲ | ricardobeat an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Pakistan being “south asia” makes about as much sense as Turkey and Saudi Arabia being labeled “west asia”. Technically correct, odd choice for modern communication. | | |
| ▲ | t0lo 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Pedantic response that makes light of a real issue. In case you haven't noticed, not every "western" country is actually in the western hemisphere. |
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| ▲ | kdheiwns an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In America at least, all the hot deserty places between Europe and India=Middle East. I only started hearing the term "South Asia" to refer to places like Pakistan after encountering more non-Americans online. Afghanistan is also considered as part of the Middle East to basically every average American (hence why it's lumped in with all those "Middle Eastern wars"), but I'm not sure if it's seen that way in other areas. | |
| ▲ | bcjdjsndon an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bangladesh is Muslim though |
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| ▲ | bcjdjsndon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| *data doesn't go back beyond 2000, safe to ignore |
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| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent [-] | | ??? Data quality issues usually get worse the further back you go. | | |
| ▲ | WillAdams 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, but there are (in)famous examples such as the partition of Bengal (the tiger which Britain feared) being partitioned into Pakistan and India, which when included would provide a useful metric for the scale of human suffering involved. |
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| ▲ | nomilk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Only 1.7m people left North America in 2023 (4.4m arrivals). Would be interesting to compare to figures from 2025. |
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| ▲ | gcanyon an hour ago | parent [-] | | > interesting You have a funny way of spelling "sad" my friend. |
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| ▲ | firesteelrain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can someone explain the graphic? |
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| ▲ | gaiagraphia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Here's the actual graph/data in question. The article is a dense academic snooooooozefest: https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/ Ffs, trying to click on a country and the globe keeps rotating, hahah. When i click on nations, it doesn't tell me the numbers either, there's just these blobby lines :/ Not very usable. |
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| ▲ | somelamer567 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The year 2000 also happens to coincide with the rise of the Putin regime. One of their favourite methods of statecraft is to spitefully lash out at perceived "enemies" by using their enormous information-warfare capability to stoke irregular immigration in ways to maximise chaos in countries that Russia hates and resents. |
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| ▲ | curiousObject 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| People who believe they are financially secure may move from regions which are considered “wealthy” to regions which are seen to be “poorer” (and cheaper). This outflow can influence this data. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-... |
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| ▲ | swiftcoder an hour ago | parent [-] | | > This outflow can influence this data Influence how? Migrations from wealthy to poor regions are still migrations, no? |
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