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connorboyle 4 hours ago

A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor.

Odd times we are living in!

ai-x 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps

They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

hnlmorg 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’d be more scared of a data leak due to LargeCo being hacked than I would about LargeCo prying into the data.

What I don’t trust LargeCo with is personal information. I’ve heard too many horror stories about Govs and LargeCos swapping customer nudes or stalking ex’s to be comfortable with anything personal on those systems. But that’s a whole different topic.

switchbak 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LargeCo is probably struggling under the weight of technical debt and organizational challenges/politics.

I bet if you gave them the Codebase of the Gods, it’d be a heap of hacks inside a couple months.

sly010 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business

Indeed, by a couple trillions...

tsunamifury 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You could not be more wrong in the aggregate.

Literally how LLMs will continue to learn to code and easily replace whatever you build with them.

Incredible that you could so blithely misunderstand this

noncoml 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How can you make such bold and generic claims without some data backing it?

ai-x 2 hours ago | parent [-]

actuaries look for data. visionaries take leaps in faith. There was no data proving LLMs will work at scale. Google waited for the Data. OpenAI and then Anthropic took the leap of faith. The result is there for all to see. The core attribute of a successful AI Researcher was were they AGI-pilled and not were they waiting for data for unknown unknowns?

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bob1029 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Trust and liability are the actual currency in a software business.

Your email domain is significantly more important than whatever is in your corporate GitHub repositories.

drchaim 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

and all their keys, because sooner or later, the harness is gonna read them

ai-x 4 hours ago | parent [-]

One company's irrational fear is a competitive advantage for someone else.

skybrian 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it certainly is an odd situation when some people believe you cannot use Mythos-class models because security while others believe you must do code reviews with Mythos-class models because security.

Ifkaluva 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not just “a startup”! Also, famously, Meta, with their famous AI usage dashboards

stainablesteel an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

they would kill their own product if they did this

it would be like if tsmc started designing their own chips to compete with the people they sell their services to, they have more to gain by limiting their participation to a specific corner