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kingstnap 7 hours ago

Its hard to read the first half of this as anything other than regulatory capture propaganda. It really all ties together as:

> AI has become a major commercial technology

>Frontier AI models, like airplanes, should be required to go through technical testing and auditing, and their release should be blocked or reversed as a threat to public safety if they do not meet high standards of safety

> AI companies that develop advanced AI models must have strong security standards that protect their model weights

Anyway Dario's financial interests aside. This is an interesting breakpoint for me.

> Second, any response to AI-driven job displacement needs to address both the need to provide for everyone economically, and the need for people to find meaning, purpose, and agency. The latter is ultimately more important

To me this reads as an out of touch statement. I think the majority of people on earth work to keep a roof over their heads. Of course work can be a source of meaning, purpose, and agency, but to call it the more important aspect on a societal level is a sort of rich person like Dario statement to make.

opsnooperfax an hour ago | parent | next [-]

He has to pull up the ladder before people realize doubling cost for a 5% gain is bonkers. The cat is out of the bag. They can try to sabotage, but we’ve already come to far

barrkel 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Working to keep a roof over the head of yourself and those you love is an identity. It's social proof that you have value, that you can do something for someone else.

annzabelle 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was funemployed for a 9 month stretch last year (layoff severance package, followed by waiting for a visa and traveling), and when I wasn't traveling, I found my life kind of falling apart with a lack of structure. I tried to schedule workout classes and hobbies, as well as involvement in my church, but it just didn't fill my time, and none of my friends were free during the day. I spent a lot of time with my retired parents, but the time we spent together became very low quality, and it was tinged with the knowledge that I ought to be doing something else with a lot of my time. I also spent a lot of time scrolling.

I started work again 3 weeks ago, and I find myself using the time outside of work much better because there is less of it.

I would still love a 30 hour work week, and if I had young children, I am certain that I would cherish time off much more.

SaucyWrong 3 hours ago | parent [-]

As somebody who is currently rounding month 6 of funemployment, I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

thepasch 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Working to keep a roof over the head of yourself and those you love is a necessity. It can become an identity if you enjoy what you do, sure, but that is not a given for, I'd say, a big majority of the workforce, globally.

slyzmud 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree with you, 99% of the people work just to pay bills, but that doesn't make the other part false.

I'm a software engineer and love thinking about problems methodically. Every time I hear a someone saying that programmers are no longer required (even if I don't agree with that) if feels really bad, it's equivalent to saying that what I do best in life has no value anymore.

To put it on other words: I really like philosophy, but what value do they provide in modern world? Who pays for the work of a philosopher? I think people will start of thinking of programmers like that eventually.

poslathian an hour ago | parent [-]

I’m lucky to have more than my share of really exceptional programmers to hang out with and they all say the same thing: “I haven’t been writing code for months and don’t expect to again”

This is a way different sentiment than “programmers aren’t needed anymore” - I’m just seeing ambition, motivation, and fun go up in lockstep.

I first heard this in November and slowly one by one it’s everyone whose opinion I respect.

FWIW the other popular topic is how abysmally stupid and limited these amazing tools continue to be, despite also being magic.

Oh and that none of us have gotten token maxxing to succeed, despite lots of trying.

besterman23 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re arguing to a subset of people who have made work their entire life and have retroactively justified their sacrifices with thoughts such as high compensation means what I do is socially valuable. However, at the same time they work at Meta or something making internal tools to make product developers 5% more efficient at tweaking the addiction algorithm to gain 0.2% more screen-time per user.

thewebguyd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You have value just by virtue of being a living being. No one needs work to have or portray value, that's just capitalist propaganda.

My own identity certainly isn't "IT manager," nor do I derive life meaning or self actualization from what do to collect a salary to feed myself and have shelter. In fact, my career/job is by far the least important thing in my life, I have it purely out of necessity.

FergusArgyll 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you explain how this is attempted regulatory capture? To start a lab now which can actually compete for the frontier (i.e. and pass the "Threshold of compute" needed to get regulated) a lab / company would need a ton of money. Surely a well funded operation of that kind can deal with the regulations.

thayne 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For one thing, the financial barrier may not necessarily stay that high forever.

For another, such regulations could prevent a competitor from making the weights open for their model to try and disrupt the competition.

And finally, Amodei would no doubt want to be involved in designing the tests the AI needs to pass, and could (and likely would) design it in a way that Anthropic models would be able to pass easier than competing models.

kingstnap 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well he explicitly calls for regulations that ban open weight models, which of course hugely threaten Anthropic's API business model. If we got a open weight model actually around as good as Opus 4.6 that would be extremely bad for them.

Regulating competitors out of existence like that is textbook regulatory capture.

Dario is also huge on regulations banning Chip exports to China, who are the only other real competitors to US Labs, open weight or not.

Also invariably, such corporations always create regulations that are easier for them and harder for competitors.

gck1 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You'd need a ton of money if you followed the unoptimized, cash burning mindset of existing AI labs. There's probably a ton of optimization that is just sitting on the table. Chinese labs have proven it can be done for way less money.

Then there's running inference service of open weights, which doesn't necessarily require opening a lab. You can grab Chinese model weights and sell inference.

Anthropic wants to make sure nobody can open a new domestic lab, or provide inference services of unauthorized open weight models, or release open weights if model is good. It is regulatory capture - it covers all areas that are dangers to Anthropic's bottom line.