my first association here would be steering of torpedoes. the US Navy must have been on this for decades and very deep pockets.

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Klaus23 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Torpedoes are usually steered using fibre-optic wires, like the fibre-optic drones in Ukraine today, so there is no need for problematic low-frequency radio.

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m4rtink 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Terminal homing phase sub-torpedo drone swarm use case for this ? ;-)

	▲	Klaus23 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		As funny as your comment sounds, I wouldn't rule out the Ukrainians actually doing it. At least for sea+air and air+air, sub-drones are already a reality.

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redsocksfan45 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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7952 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Navies are known to use low frequency radio to send messages to submerged subs.

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adrian_b 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This uses the same principle, but the traditional method required immense antennas and very high power radio transmitters.

Such antennas and transmitters cannot be installed in a small submarine.

Here a new kind of antenna is used, which is efficient under water even at small dimensions, so it can be installed in small submarines, for communication at distances of up to a few hundred meter.

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raffael_de 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But isn't torpedo steering still dependent on wire?

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XorNot 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The issue is it doesn't really matter and radio isn't much benefit: you get much higher bandwidth, better reliability, immunity to ECM, and fiber-optic wires in Ukraine are over 50km long.

The exact application for this is autonomous underwater vehicles where what you would like to do is communicate quickly and without a tether in arbitrary scenarios - i.e. think a bunch of autonomous vehicles which might need to relay a message or communicate with dropped assets. Using radio in those scenarios solves the problem of a consumable (the wire), and also the problems associated with sonar like fouling of the array.

	▲	raffael_de 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		fair enough but afaik torpedoes aren't tethered by a fiber optic cable like drones. it's a much thicker cable that possibly contains a fiber optic cable.