| ▲ | dotcoma 4 hours ago |
| Why are people on HN still using Chrome? (or Edge, or Opera…) |
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| ▲ | michaelt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't, 99.9% of the time. But when your browser has a 2% market share worldwide, some developers won't bother to test on it. And if your setup is even more obscure (I use Firefox on Linux with an adblocker and third-party cookies blocked and DRM disabled and autoplaying video disabled and so on) making you rare even among that 2%, sometimes sites won't have tested with your specific configuration. It's useful to have a second browser around, as a fallback when a site is broken. Uploading images when creating a listing on ebay is broken, but I don't have to figure out which element of my setup is breaking it, I can just switch to the other browser. |
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| ▲ | ano-ther 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some pages do not work in Firefox, so I keep a copy of Chrome around. It’s a bit like with Internet Explorer which back in its day was also needed for some stubborn sites. |
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| ▲ | RachelF 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Me too. Many government or banking sites only work properly on Chrome. Anything with Docusign is Chrome-only. | |
| ▲ | fsflover 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Name and shame? | | |
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| ▲ | dvh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are 2 reasons why I'm using chromium (with ublock origin lite) over Firefox: 1. Chromium is significantly faster (maybe 5 to 10x faster on certain tasks mostly around canvas but anything that requires fast ui really). Every time I use Firefox it feels like it has some kind of serious problem. If chrome was this slow I would stop working and start investigating what part of my computer is broken. This experience hasn't changed over span of 10 years, 3 OSes and several computers. 2. Neverending caching issues on Firefox. It just caches too aggressively which makes development really annoying to a point where anytime I encounter issue on Firefox my first thought is "Is this Firefox caching issue?". On chrome when I change button color and I don't see it, I know I made a mistake. If I change button color on Firefox, my first thought is, is this Firefox caching issue? When I develop web I have very quick update loop and I really can't be questioning browser. I cannot work like this. Firefox is unusable for me. |
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| ▲ | elashri 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ctrl + shift + R would solve your second problem at all times. And I don't think your first point is quantified correctly and I am sure there is no data to back it up. But I understand the appeal of trying to quantify your personal experience. | | |
| ▲ | pebble an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I can back up their first point a tiny bit with regards to canvas. The primary product of our company is heavily canvas-based so I’ve always noticed that canvas on Firefox on macs is slower than on Chrome but it used to be in the 2-3x range and nowadays is more in the 1.5x range. They’ve made great improvements and I’ve never noted anything close to 5-10x slowdowns. On Windows Firefox and Chrome canvas has performed equally well at least for the past ten years. Got no data for linux tho. | |
| ▲ | moebrowne an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yup, or open dev tools and enable "disable cache". This applies only while dev tools is open |
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| ▲ | emayljames 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | batperson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Edge user here. For one, chromium is faster than firefox, any given page will load about 20% faster, another reason is edge workspaces feature, I've grown to like it, which seems to be some sort of chromium feature that everyone bakes in weird ways if at all, and I'm still running ublock origin on edge without any funky bypasses. Then there's a fact that a bunch of sites/webapps straight up refuse to work on firefox and they ask you to install chrome or something. And lastly chromium the most popular browser flavor and as a web dev it helps to see pages through "the same eyes" as my users/customers. That's about it, the only reason I use firefox every day is their superior picture-in-picture player, chromium one is waaay inferior. |
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| ▲ | pjmlp 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because they don't bother to learn the history, worse, they are also worshipping Electron crap, which is basically Chrome. |
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| ▲ | 20k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For me the two reasons I can't live without are 1. Firefox's ctrl-f search doesn't highlight all instances of a found item on the right hand side. It sounds petty, but its a gigantic timesaver for looking through research documents 2. Firefox's tab crash recovery isn't as solid. I use chrome with fully persistent tabs, and its a gigantic pain if I can't re-open them If I could find a way to fix these I'd swap in a heartbeat |
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| ▲ | Ennea 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Firefox has added highlighting of search terms in the page's scroll bar quite a few versions ago, if you want to give it another spin for that. | | |
| ▲ | 20k 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Weird, it still only highlights a single occurrence for me if I ctrl-f something, is there a setting for this or something? | | |
| ▲ | jeroenhd 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You need to click "highlight all" to highlight all occurrences. It's the checkbox to the right of the search box. If you enable it for the first time, you may need to hit enter in the search bar again for it to show up (it remembers the setting and works instantly the next search) | | |
| ▲ | 20k 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apparently I'm just a moron and have never seen it has settings in 10+ years. Thanks! |
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| ▲ | Chiron1991 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | misswaterfairy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do these Firefox extensions help? I haven't used this, as I didn't know it was a feature I needed until you mentioned it. - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/find-in-page-... Tab Session Manager allows you to dump tabs to groups for restoration later, with auto-save at regular intervals. Works quite well! - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-session-m... | | | |
| ▲ | plqbfbv 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > 2. Firefox's tab crash recovery isn't as solid. I use chrome with fully persistent tabs, and its a gigantic pain if I can't re-open them I normally have 5-50 tabs open (so perhaps on the lower end), but I can't recall the last time I crashed a tab in the last 3 years. I also use persistent/pinned tabs and never noticed issues. | | |
| ▲ | 20k 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Its not the tabs themselves crashing, its when firefox (or my pc as a whole - I'm a developer and its a frequent occurance) crashes, firefox isn't as good as chrome at remembering what tabs were previously open |
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| ▲ | hansvm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is that a rhetorical question suggesting those people are wrong, or are you asking for, e.g., the technical reasons some software only works with Chrome in the mix? |
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| ▲ | tgv 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm betting there are a lot of people here using Chrome as their "daily driver". | | |
| ▲ | dotcoma 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | To people who like Chrome, or some of its features (I love their bookmarks), I say: try Helium. Or Iridium. Or even Brave. | | |
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| ▲ | maxloh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Actually, I opted in for tracking. Knowing my interests, Google suggests good articles on their Android app feed. Also, there are a few parts of Firefox that still look ancient, like the bookmarks and history managers, as well as the PDF viewer, where the buttons are too small to click easily. Unfortunately, those are unusable for a Gen Zer. |
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| ▲ | Scoundreller 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Locked down computers that still let you install extension. |
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| ▲ | nubinetwork 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Find me a browser that doesn't have ai shoved into it... and no I don't mean 10 year old versions of iceweasel. |
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| ▲ | dijit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Since it underpins so much of the modern browser ecosystem it becomes a primary target for webapps to work. As such, if you want to be sure a website will work you use chrome. Since chrome has such a market share, developers feel justified testing primarily for chrome. Self-fulfilling cycle. |
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| ▲ | ceving 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Don't know, but I have uninstalled it a few minutes ago. |
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| ▲ | nmeagent 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I keep chromium installed mostly to run virtual tabletop software (specifically Foundry VTT), because webgl performance in firefox is not great (though it has improved somewhat in the last couple of years). There are also a few sites (mostly restaurants for some reason) that just refuse to work properly in firefox, so I sometimes fall back to chromium. I wish I could drop it like a bad habit, because frankly Google's shenanigans piss me off on a semi-regular basis. |
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| ▲ | girvo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Work forces me to on the work laptop. But Ublock Origin Lite is good enough for that use-case. I use firefox everywhere else. |
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| ▲ | fp64 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| uBlock Origin Lite works perfectly, so I have no complaints? |
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| ▲ | partiallypro 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's pretty irrelevant isn't it? Shouldn't all users demand privacy, especially from ads? |
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| ▲ | dotcoma 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | All users should demand privacy, but they don’t. Take a look at Firefox’s market share, or Brave’s etc. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Won’t Brave follow Google’s lead on this? Gecko, WebKit and—hopefully—Ladybird are the true alternatives. I used to think this was too extreme. But the ad vendor dragging ad blockers out of the engine flipped my view. | | |
| ▲ | riffraff 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Brave has its own ad blocker engine built-in rather than as an extension, and it can reuse uBlock's lists https://github.com/brave/adblock-rust I use brave on my phone and I can't really tell the difference from desktop browser+UO, so I guess it works well enough. | |
| ▲ | dotcoma 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Brave, like Vivaldi, I think, have developed their own ad blocker. No idea if they will fight to keep UBlock Origin accessible or not. I think and certainly hope that Helium will fight the good fight. | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Won’t Brave follow Google’s lead on this? They said they could offer limited MV2 support even after it’s fully removed from the upstream Chromium codebase.[1] [1] https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/ | |
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| ▲ | djfergus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On lower end cpus (N100) chromium/brave benchmarks 10-20% faster than Firefox. |
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| ▲ | lxgr 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even if you factor in all the ad bloat that uBlock lite can’t block? |
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| ▲ | anal_reactor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On mobile, Opera is the only usable browser. It supports text reflow on zoom, and also I can choose the download folder for each file. Allows me to keep porn and non-porn downloads separate. |
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| ▲ | Markoff an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| only reason I can think of is synchronization among devices since you can't find same decent browser you could use on Android phone and desktop, Firefox ain't decent browser on neither of those, on desktop Vivaldi with customization and stability is superior, on Android Firefox actually ain't THAT bad since good browsers with extensions support are not that common, I would recommend Cromite, though there is also Helium and Ultimatum |
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| ▲ | evolighting 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm a Firefox user for about 20yrs (since Firefox 3); but too often I have to use Chrome, as so many sites only work properly on it; Firefox is really buggy or laggy on those websites; For a time, all those AI chat web pages were just very slow on Firefox even with very little context, whereas Chrome only gets laggy when there is a lot of context. |
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| ▲ | MasterYoda 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you really sure it’s not because of an add-on?
If I remember correctly, Mozilla has said that about 95% of all pages that don’t work aren’t due to Firefox, but to an add-on.
I use Firefox exclusively and don’t usually notice that pages don’t work. When that happens, as I said, it’s almost always an add-on that’s to blame. And I dont notice its buggy or laggy. So could be good check your addons next time. | | |
| ▲ | evolighting an hour ago | parent [-] | | Here are some cases where Firefox really sucks: some of them are specific CSS styles, some are downgraded features, and some of them I just don't know why. As I mentioned here, the ChatGPT web and Gemini web used to be very laggy for no reason—or maybe it was just a bug for me? I don't think any of this is caused by add-ons, though. But it's getting better, and most of those problems are just gone; Still, I keep Chrome around just in case. |
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| ▲ | miriam_catira 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Same here, but when a site completely fails in Firefox I either A) use my phone because mobile Firefox occasionally works or B) use Ungoogled Chromium. https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium Really hoping the uBlock will continue to work on that project... | |
| ▲ | t0bia_s 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How many extensions do you use on laggy FF? | | |
| ▲ | shellwizard 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not using many extensions on my case, but Google meet remains unusable for a long time, sound is horrible during meetings. Chrome on the other hand works fine |
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| ▲ | iririririr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | only site that was slow on firefox was google meet, but then it turned out someone documented how google had code to explicitly do that. ouch. |
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| ▲ | Gualdrapo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ex-bosses used it so had to test shit on them. |
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| ▲ | dotcoma 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok but if you use it only for testing, and not for your ‘real’ browsing, then probably the fact that they track what you are doing is not that important, even if it’s still a nuisance. Or not? |
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| ▲ | TiredOfLife 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Firefox will also disable V2 sooner or later. BUT. Chrome then will still have uBlock Origin lite. Firefox won't, because mozilla banned that extension from store. |
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| ▲ | Krssst 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Firefox will also disable V2 sooner or later. Source? > Firefox won't, because mozilla banned that extension from store. It's unbanned; the author chose to not put it back. https://www.ghacks.net/2024/10/01/mozillas-massive-lapse-in-... | | |
| ▲ | maxloh 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, pissing off the ecosystem is a great way to drive users to your competitors. Requiring users to manually install and update a popular extension is a subpar experience. It seems they spent so much of their budget on the CEO's salary that they couldn't afford an extension review team. Quoting open-paren comment (2024): > As far as I can tell, there are maybe two reviewers that are based in Europe (Romania?). The turn around time is long when I am in the US, and it has been rife with this same kind of "simple mistake" that takes 2 weeks to resolve. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41710183 |
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| ▲ | doikor 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is currently no plan to deprecate V2 manifest in Firefox. And Firefox version of V3 supports browser.webRequest blocking (the part that adblockers need to work properly) | |
| ▲ | kelnos 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Firefox will also disable V2 sooner or later. Got a source for that, or is that just unfounded speculation? | | |
| ▲ | gblargg 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well given a long enough timeline, everything will be disabled at some point. |
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| ▲ | michaelmrose 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why wouldn't someone anyone cobble together a v3 version between the uncertain future date in which v2 was deprecated and when it became unavailable. There appears to be no possible future in which google has better adblocking. |
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| ▲ | m-schuetz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I switched from Firefox to Chrome a couple of years back because Firefox always dragged its feet when it came to implementing important developer features. Like, DataView was excruciatingly slow in Firefox; WebGPU support didnt go anywhere; and they initially refused to implement import maps. I consider the latter to be an essential tool as it allows me to work without the need for build systems. Also, chrome dev tools worked far better. Since Chrome blocked ublock, I switched to Edge. Not sure where I will go next, but I dont think it will be Firefox since they are always years late. |