"Full countries" is a lie. You hear it often here in the Netherlands.

What they don't want you to hear is that 54% of the land in the country is owned by agricultural companies[0], benefitting a tiny fraction of the population.

[0] https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/achtergrond/2025/14/feiten-en-cijfe...

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philipallstar 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The Netherlands is completely tiny compared to many of the countries people are coming from, and the land is allocated. You can't replace the farms with suburbs throughout the country, and even if you did, then what? Is it allowed to be full then? Or should people still leave their much more land-rich origins to come anyway?

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throwaway85825 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are the people supposed to eat rocks? Agriculture takes a lot of land but people need to eat.

If anything agriculture is going to require more land in order to be sustainable.

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bojan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People do need to eat, but over 80% of the Dutch agricultural produce is being exported.

Also, good portion of it isn't even meant for human consumption. Think flowers or cattle feed.

This is not about feeding the population or about sustainability. It's simply about profit.

	▲	picofarad 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Are the cows pets?

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selfmodruntime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

well duh let's just import food from elsewhere (and completely ignore that foreign politic squabbles might crash this system)

	▲	throwaway85825 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's not like countries that import the majority of their calories have frequent food riots or anything.

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shimman 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does EU have the USA problem where most farmers are basically sharecroppers where they are mandated where they can buy their seed, buy their fertilizers, where they buy their chicks/sows/calfs, what equipment they can buy, how they can repair their equipment, where they can sell their crops, and at what specific prices all from a single undemocratic corporation?

In the USA it's basically corporations that run everything and drive the farmers into poverty where said corporations can then buy their land and rely on undocumented workers to keep the abuse going.

From the outside EU farmers seem to have better labor relations, but don't know.

	▲	greggoB 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Swiss here, living in a small town quite close to farmers. I would expect if it was the case here, I would have heard about it, given my proximity. I'm aware of this "arrangement" in the US, never heard of it happening anywhere in the EU - I haven't done a comprehensive study though, maybe someone with more knowledge can say more.