| ▲ | stronglikedan 3 hours ago |
| > Surveillance Is Not Safety Maybe not, but as long as the average person thinks it is, it may as well be. |
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| ▲ | rockskon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Does the average person think this? Perception of what other people think doesn't always line up with what they actually think. |
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| ▲ | pixl97 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >Does the average person think this? The average person hold all kinds of conflicting views. The average middle class parent will surveil the shit out of their children, for example. Hence the title of the article is not completely correct. The outcome of surveillance is the intent of the entity surveilling. In the case of the parent, this is likely the safety of their offspring. In the case of a state entity, it's likely the safety of the people in power of the state. This second type of safety is very dangerous and does not include your safety. | |
| ▲ | cucumber3732842 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The average person doesn't think that far ahead. They just hear "a cause I like can be furthered by implementing 1984" and so they support it. Check out any comment section on transportation policy, environmental policy, professional licensing for trades other than software. Look at how HN, people who should know how this sausage is made, schemes about how policy and technology can be used by government to enforce it's will and preferences upon other people in ways they cannot avoid or resist. It's not a case of divide and conquer, it's a case of completely lacking principals. Nobody believes in privacy, civil rights or that the application of government violence in should be expensive and difficult and politically fraught when it's an application that they like. Nobody is thinking far enough ahead to wonder how those systems will be used when the whims and dispositions of government and society shift. Just this morning I was reading a comment where some jerk was scheming about how the government should (the implication being that now that AI makes it easy to automate) scrape property listings and fine people for not pulling permits when there's a diff from the prior listings and that the whole thing can be automated and anyone innocent can just have the government tour their home to prove it. | |
| ▲ | madaxe_again an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The average person does not think anything much. They receive the meme, they transmit the meme. No processing occurs. | |
| ▲ | pydry 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I doubt the average person gives it much thought at all. This certainly isn't a result of democratic overreach by a concerned group of citizens. No demographic is demanding this. It's one of those "create the infrastructure for stasi 2.0" the epstein elite tries to periodically ram down our throats ironically using "think of the children" to manufacture consent. The last time they did this they contracted saatchi and saatchi to run an a disturbing campaign: https://londondaily.com/revealed-uk-gov-t-plans-publicity-bl... |
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| ▲ | cwmoore 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If only the average person had tools and access to all such information. |
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| ▲ | circadian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://xkcd.com/610/ |
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| ▲ | Animats 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a great meme, though. Use it more. |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| isn't more as long as the average billionair thinks it is. It's not like it's the average person pushing it. |
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| ▲ | ktallett 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The average person doesn't have any knowledge on this system. |