> Both Alphabet/Google and Amazon have invested recently into Anthropic and are doing all sorts of financial chicanery

bko didn’t say there isn’t circular financing going on. They’re just saying this isn’t an example of it. They’re right.

It’s a potential conflict of interest. And if the agreement is fake—if Google cancels without paying the cash—it could be market manipulation. But the influencer space likes to latch onto jargon, and the one it’s overapplying right now is circular financing.

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oblio 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Did I say it was circular financing? I said "financial chicanery". I even included a link to a video explaining said financial chicanery.

What are you even going on about?

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JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The comment you’re responding to and the comment above it are about circular financing. It’s reasonably to assume that’s the same chicanery you’re talking about; expecting everyone to watch a random video to understand your comment is unreasonable.

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oblio 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I listed a bunch of data points that make no sense (profits spiking 50% in a non-Christmas quarter for companies) and weren't directly tied[1] to the circular financing.

[1] They're indirectly tied to it.

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JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

> that make no sense (profits spiking 50%

They were unrealized gains on non-marketable equities. It’s clearly disclosed and done according to GAAP. It’s put under other income precisely so analysts can strip it out when modelling long-term trends.

Like, yes, if SpaceX goes to zero Google would have to realize losses and probably lose a quarter or two of GAAP profits. (But not cash flows. Cash-flow wise, it may wind up being positive due to tax effects.) It’s a risk factor, of course, but far from making no sense.

None of which is particularly relevant to the deal at hand other than in raising a potential conflict of interest among related parties.

	▲	oblio an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> but far from making no sense. When I said "it makes no sense", I didn't mean "the accounting math doesn't work out". I meant "raising a potential conflict of interest among related parties". This whole AI financing this is the motherlode of "potential conflict of interest among related parties". And people who are obtuse enough to ignore this because it's not illegal right now will discover 5-10 years from now that laws are written in blood (or massive bankruptcies).