Leaving the EU or ending free movement with EU countries leads to a significant increase in immigration from the third world, as Brexit showed.

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JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It really doesn’t have to. Britain being incompetent is sort of its own chapter in governance.

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idiotsecant 4 hours ago | parent [-]

no true scotsman

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JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not what that means.

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idiotsecant 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Thats exactly what that means. The UK did the thing you want to do and had a bad outcome because they didn't do it right. The true and best and correct way to get it done of course would have none of those bad outcomes.

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JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> UK did the thing you want to do

The UK invoked Article 50. It didn’t have to, but it chose to because Britain. There is no world in which Switzerland is the party that tears up all of its EU agreements.

If someone says that’s a bad dog and I say no, that’s a cat, that’s not an example of No True Scotsman, it’s a category error.

	▲	karmakurtisaani 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Free movement is at the heart of the EU project. You start restricting that and the EU will tear up the agreements. We saw this already some 10 years ago when a similar vote passed, and EU stopped a lot of collaborations with the Swiss.

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selfmodruntime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're using that fallacy wrong.

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Argonaut998 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Swiss ruling class don’t have as much disdain for their populace. It will only end up that way if the Swiss people will it.

A lot of the UK’s problems were a result of the EU being vindictive as well. The EU won’t act vindictively because they aren’t in the EU.

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cynicalsecurity 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Vindictive how? That it refuses to let the Brits have their cake and eat it?

	▲	Argonaut998 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Vindictive in preventing trade agreements. Vindictive like France doing nothing to stop the immigrants going through the channel