| ▲ | stefan_ 6 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Data center operators are in the business of selling electricity. They do not command large PE multiples. This is an even worse business, because xAI decided to also be the bagholder for the NVIDIA graphic cards. Not to mention they finance an unreasonable number of 20-somethings on way too large salaries with shitty opinions and no AGI delivered. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | _alternator_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This take clearly has a bone to pick. But ignoring that, the first sentence is just not reflective of the reality here—xAI is making a killing on renting out its GPUs, way more than "just power". The dynamics that normally make infrastructure providers have slim margins don't apply when demand far outstrips supply; the situation right now is closer to monopoly pricing power. It will likely take a few years for supply to fully catch up, which means xAI will eat well for a while. I can see a world where a few data centers come on line this year and reduce margins a bit, but it's crazy to think the margins will go to "cost of electricity plus a few percent" anytime soon. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | chatmasta 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Datacenter operators who rent space are selling electricity. SpaceX is selling a fully built datacenter with compute designed for a specific purpose. They’re operating at a higher level of the value chain and can charge accordingly. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | treis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
They're not any sort of bag holder. They're going to make back what they spent on these data centers in a year. It's a fairly sweet deal for everyone involved. Anthropic/Google get to sell more tokens and xAI gets a war chest for another bite at the apple. I don't have much confidence that they'll do anything with it but that doesn't mean these deals don't make sense for them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jtbayly 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
There is a footnote in the article does the math. It concludes, "power is no more than about 1% of revenue." | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | skybrian 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I thought it was mostly capital costs (chips), not operating costs (electricity). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||