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kingstnap 3 hours ago

Given that MiMo is as cheap as Deepseek ( previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814 ) multiplying that by 3x for ultra speed is still shockingly cheap.

miroljub 2 hours ago | parent [-]

MiMo and DeepSeek are not cheap. Anthropic and OpenAI are expensive for what they provide.

chrismustcode 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You don't consider Input $0.435 Output $0.87 cache read $0.003625 per million tokens for near frontier intelligence cheap?

tmaly 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Energy is likely more abundant in China. I am not sure about compute, but that must be part of reason for such drastic price differences.

amunozo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They also don't have to inflate profits for a coming IPO.

ignoramous 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Chinese "Neijuan" is real & well reported: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/what-i...

It is another thing the BigLabs accuse open weight models of benefiting from distillation & other techniques & essentially avoid higher training costs (which typically bleed into bills end users pay for inference).

Ex A: https://www.anthropic.com/research/2028-ai-leadership

Ex B: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/openai-accuses-deepseek-...

trollbridge 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We buy cheap Chinese goods all the time. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

In this case, at least it’s threatening multimillion dollar salary jobs instead of entire towns of working class people in America or Mexico.

And the Chinese labs actually release their weights. You could call it… open AI.

ncr100 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Lololol.

overfeed 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Big labs ripped videos off YouTube without caring about the ToS, and grabbed as much published literature they could get their hands on, regardless of legality (Books3, The Pile). The goal of "democratizing human knowledge" by way of thinking machines is far too noble to worry about frivolities like copyright and authorial consent, they said. Until it was their output being exploited, and their earning potential threatened.

drawfloat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We just had years of US model providers arguing it was fine to rip off the world’s cultural output for their own profit, why should their work be treated any different?

flexagoon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True, but why would end users care about that? If anything, training on synthetic AI output is more ethical than on scraped human works (of course, not to say the Chinese labs aren't doing the latter)

amunozo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Chinese are also simply better at making a lot of things cheaper, e.g. solar panels or electric vehicles.