| ▲ | avaer 3 hours ago |
| I've worked on several projects where people looked at the site, which was simple and straight to the point, and people would straight up tell me they didn't take it seriously because it didn't have these performative UI things on it. It's like when a Youtuber's audience complains about how they're constantly asking you to subscribe. The reason it happens is because the statistics say it works. |
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| ▲ | theturtletalks 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It really comes down to first impression. Your website design is your company’s first impression. If the design is clean, people will believe the product is clean and robust as well. Similar to how people think things that cost more and probably high quality and better overall. As for this website, the best component is the ASCII animation in the hero and you can’t even copy that component. In fact, that nice ASCII hero is what gave me a good first impression to go thru all the components. |
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| ▲ | wavemode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think the commentary being made here is that startup websites should not be flashy. Just that, maybe they don't all need to look exactly the same as each other. |
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| ▲ | dayjah 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think homogeneity is an unavoidable end game for the internet (unfortunately). At work we’ve been discussing whether to migrate off our home grown component library to Material UI. I shudder at the thought, personally. However, a compelling reason to use a ubiquitous framework is that the ubiquity means folks intuitively know how to interact with your product. Like many of us I was born into a deeply customizable Internet, all of my websites were green or red on black. They were a glorious amalgam of fixed width fonts and <blink> tags. With occasional wingdings characters for fun and games and complex <table>/<tr>/<td> tags for really epic layouts. They were l33t, honestly ^_^ But, as time goes on and more and more people use this thing, converging on the one-true-UX feels like a net good thing assuming the fundamentals are right. To some degree the LLM-ization of the Internet is essentially the end game of squashing the personality out of the Internet which bootstrap started. We’re on the cusp of spoken word being the core UX of computers with a fall back to reading the LLM transcript, neither of which benefits from <blink> | | |
| ▲ | hntiz an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > a compelling reason to use a ubiquitous framework is that the ubiquity means folks intuitively know how to interact with your product Not that I disagree with you, but I'll also offer a tradeoff. When people expect to pick up your app intuitively, it can also just mean them using the app absent-mindedly, which can mean them skipping the manual and jumping straight to trying to tie up the support lines. Whereas if your ui asks for a user's full focus up front, yes there are downsides to that but they're also more engaged. | | |
| ▲ | NewsaHackO an hour ago | parent [-] | | I guess the issue is that when someone can't use a product immediately, they have an urge to abandon it altogether, not learn how to use it. | | |
| ▲ | preg_match 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It depends highly on the application. If the application domain is inherently complex and or used in business contexts, then they will have to learn how to use it regardless. Intuitiveness only works for somewhat cookie-cutter applications. Consider Excel: Excel is not intuitive to people who have not used excel. We can make it easier to use, but regardless the user will have to learn the fundamentals of a spreadsheet (and even how the data is stored in memory!) in order to successfully use excel. The reason I say users even have to understand how data is stored in memory is because of types. Dates are not strings, for example. |
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| ▲ | maxweylandt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Related: institutional isomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism_(sociology) | |
| ▲ | kid_cubi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We're migrating our Material UI components to homemade components, since MUI doesn't cater to our needs anymore. |
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| ▲ | jsdalton 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It seems to me the parent commenter is saying the opposite: looking exactly like each other _is_ the point. It's a form of social signaling, to indicate that a project "belongs" to the in group of high-flying successful AI hype projects. Note I'm not arguing that this is a good strategy. But given that so many people follow it I imagine it's not as bad as it appears on the surface. |
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| ▲ | epolanski 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Same for clickbait thumbnails, people hate them, and yet don't really click on non clickbaity ones. |
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| ▲ | thewebguyd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In the marketing world this is called revealed preference. This stuff is A/B tested to death. Anyone trying to sell something is best served by watching people's behavior instead of listening to what they say, as the two are often different if not polar opposites. | | |
| ▲ | 4chandaily 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The perspective marketing world seems toxic. From the perspective of the "consumer", it sure does feel like we are being "ignored", "tricked", or "bamboozled" when our stated preferences are ignored in favor of "revealed preference". It isn't that we have a "preference" for these things, it is far more likely that a user just doesn't have their guard up 100% of the time, and these psychological manipulations are designed to cut through that. Sure, these strategies probably net clicks, but they aren't from people who "chose" your product, they are clicks from people who were manipulated into clicking. I suppose whether you think that is okay depends on your industry and ethics. | | |
| ▲ | thewebguyd 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, it is highly toxic. I'd assume that in most cases those "revealed preferences" are specifically engineered, not organic. It's taking advantage of biological reflexes and calling it a true preference. | |
| ▲ | Lalabadie an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's behavioral marketing, vs status/aspirational marketing. A stated preference isn't necessarily current or situational (I will choose to run instead of watching another 45 minutes of Youtube videos). A situational preference is often inertia, and behavioral marketing will directly hinder the meta cognitive processes that usually give us the agency to override our default mode choices (John has been on YouTube for the last 20 minutes, what next suggestion is not likely to keep him there?) |
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| ▲ | gryn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Better for you(the seller) vs better for me (the buyer) Two agents with two different utility functions fighting each other, it's an adversarial relationship/game. The fight is for your limited attention span. Clickbaity titles or least informative ones, 20min of rambling for what could've been a 2min video or article, spreading the meat of the info in the later half of the video for better retention instead of the beginning, highly misleading previews at the beggining, etc ... are good for the content producer but not so much for the content viewer that has to sift through it only to reliaze that didn't care about that particular thing. Not limited to videos, but also things to buy the meat of the technical/practical description of the product get worse and worse each year and the other proxy signals for them too. Seems like marketing is a lot like military conflict drown the enemy in lot of noise to drop the SNR. what's that you want to buy a 4k video projector and set a filter for it? here it is for cheaper. Oh, you wanted the actual dots on the wall resolution to be 4k instead of max supported input signal, oops. You're used to higher price meaning better quality? guess we'll flood that price point with shitier quality progressively until we find your limit | |
| ▲ | marcosdumay an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I guess in the social sciences world this is called institutional erosion... Youtube is a perfectly "unbiased" "democratic" repository, where crazy people shouting conspiracies and prize-winning documentaries have the same thumbnail and half-line of text for you to discover if they are any good. |
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| ▲ | all2 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I really wish there was a way to filter out the soy-O-face thumbnails entirely. I do not like them. I do not want to see them. | | | |
| ▲ | wnevets an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Its like when people say they hate politicians all the while they've been voting for the same Senator for the past 30 years. |
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