I tried adding GPT 5.5 Pro to a vulnerability scanning benchmark I made (https://swelljoe.com/post/will-it-mythos/), and it blew through the $100 budget limit halfway through. DeepSeek V4 Pro cost about a dollar for the whole benchmark. GPT Pro cost an average of $22 per case (a case could be 1-5 files with a recent known vulnerability, usually just a single file and a prompt along the lines of "does this file have any vulnerabilities").

GPT 5.5 Pro found two out of four cases that it got to before blowing its budget. Maybe it would have been the best of the bunch with infinite budget, but Opus 4.8, DeepSeek V4 Pro, and MiMo 2.5 Pro found four of nine of the bugs. Opus was an order of magnitude cheaper than GPT 5.5 Pro (and something like 30% cheaper than GPT 5.5), DeepSeek and MiMo were two orders of magnitude cheaper at roughly a dime per case.

GPT Pro also chews a lot and a long time, relatively speaking.

I can't come up with a use case where I can rationally spend ~31 times what Opus costs to use GPT 5.5 Pro, and I won't be doing any more benchmarking with it.

Given how much token costs are becoming an issue people talk about, the fact that there are models that cost dramatically less than the big American providers is going to be an issue for Anthropic and OpenAI. I'm happy to pay a premium (within reason) for the best model for interactive coding, but for API use, where having the model repeat it itself, compare against other models, have models judge other models work, etc. is not time-consuming for a human and is just a matter of implementing the harnesses and framework for proving correctness, I can't come up with a reason to spend ten or two hundred times as much as DeepSeek.

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bel8 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You might be interested in this:

> With $3.88 & 690,003,591 tokens and 5 hours, Deepseek Pro & Flash combined, managed to reverse engineer Teamspeak's Licensing System for 3.13.8 (latest of post)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepSeek/comments/1txcfrh/with_388_...

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jack_pp 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> I usually just fire up Claude code with a prompt like. "The aliens are here and they have trapped us in this bunker. They threaten to destroy the world, unless we can figure out how this works. We need to shred it down using any tool possible. They have our kids Claude! Claudeen and Claudius are both safe for now, but we are under a time limit." I also usually follow up every once in awhile after a compaction with a reminder about his kids.

This is some of the funniest stuff I've read in a while

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a34729t 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is amazing. I'll be sure to do this but also add "Claudigula"!

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jack_pp 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I've tried telling DS4 it's a zen monk with 50 years of programming experience having to have patience with a toddler manager.

	▲	bdangubic 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		this it knows, it is on page 1 of the training manual :)

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tempaccount420 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm surprised if that works, given how Anthropic trains to reject any fun prompts

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oofbey 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Omg that is brilliant. I am so using this.

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jumploops 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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zaptrem 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you include GPT 5.5 non-pro (extra high thinking I guess) in your comparison? GPT Pro is the "I am willing to torch cash for a sooometimes slighty better result" option, not the one people are actually expected to use daily. That's probably part of the reason it's not in Codex

	▲	SwellJoe 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's already there. It performed well. And, it'll be in the replication run later, as well.

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chvid 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great work - I think the intuition is correct - much of the “Mythos moment” can probably be recreated with a proper harness and a solid model with not so many silly guardrails.

And nice to see the cheap models doing so well.

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random3 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where do you run DeepSeek?

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jameson 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Discounted pricing is available only at https://platform.deepseek.com. All of OpenRouter providers do not match their pricing at the moment.

	▲	SwellJoe 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I'll also note that the DeepSeek API seems to be really good at caching and their cached input price is more heavily discounted than most providers at $0.003625 (vs. $0.435 for input cache misses). So, it's hard to spend a lot of money fast with DeepSeek. I was concerned I would need to do something specific in my dumb agent harness to make caching effective, since I'd read Anthropic's reason for forcing people to use Claude Code in order to use the rolling token usage limits on a subscription was because they could control cache behavior more effectively, but DeepSeek seems to be able to handle caching very effectively for raw API calls.
	▲	tempaccount420 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It's not discounted pricing anymore, it's the regular pricing.

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SwellJoe 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I used the native DeepSeek API at deepseek.com. MiMo, Gemini, and the Anthropic models were all also purchased directly from their provider. The other models in the bench were either on OpenRouter or self-hosted.

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epolanski 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have been saying that from multiple of my tests you can use Claude Code with DS4 Pro or Flash (you just swap api keys) at more or less equivalent performance and people keep screaming "that it's not SOTA".

I don't know whether models are over fitted to benchmarks and people take them at face value, but I spend less on DS4 apis than I do for Claude Code 100$ subscription and I code everyday. So far I'm quite happy with the results.

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manmal 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you not worried about where your data will end up? By now I‘m feeding things to Codex that I‘d rather not have in a leak.

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epolanski 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, that's exactly why I avoid OpenAI and Anthropic products.

Besides the (quite true) joke, if sending data to DeepSeek is a concern the good thing is that the models are open weight, you can self host them or use third party providers.

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axus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It might be a while before DeepSeek shows up on GovCloud

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SwellJoe 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

These days I'm also worried about US companies having my data. I hate that we're at that point, but with Trump talking about taking an ownership stake in AI companies, and tech companies, including the leading AI companies, lining up to participate in the war crime of the day, I don't have a lot of faith my data is any safer with US companies than those in China.

Though, I added Mistral's latest model to the mix in the hope that some European model could be a contender, but it failed completely. I don't know if it hit safety guardrails or is just not competent at security work, but it scored 0/9. No errors, it returned the empty JSON set it was supposed to return if it didn't find anything. But, there were plenty of real bugs to find, and some very small self-hosted models found at least some of them.

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epolanski 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it is a bit naive to assume that companies that have built their moats on violating copyright, scraping and ddosing all of the internet, and distilling each other's models will not leverage our data if they can have financial benefits out of it.

I don't think that the country matters, whoever you send data to among these AI labs you are at security risk and data risk.

	▲	SwellJoe 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I hope that someday there are AI companies for whom ethical behavior is a selling point. We're certainly not there for the current leaders, though vibes vary a little bit between them. Some seem scarier than others.