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JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago

> It can reasonably be said to be out of scope for a diabetes conference if the organisers don't want to include it

I’d agree with you if this happened at the journal level. It didn’t. The journal published it. Like, an astronomical conference paper describing why a new telescope design is a waste of money isn’t basic research, but it’s absolutely topical. (It could also reasonably be branded as political.)

The article is about the research infrastructure supporting diabetes research. If diabetes researchers aren’t allowed to comment on whether diabetes funding is working or wasteful in their own journals, or present their published journal findings at their own conferences, you’re not going to get any basic diabetes research.

> we don't need to listen to other people present on the topic of how they also want larger budgets. That is a political topic

It is. It’s also about diabetes. Debating which research avenues are more promising than others is absolutely political. It’s also at the heart of science. And frankly, informing fellow researchers and policymakers of the boring parts of the science is part of a scientist’s job.

Also, importantly, they aren’t asking for more budget in the article. They’re pointing out that the appropriated funds aren’t being delivered. They’re being literally misappropriated by OMB and HHS.

roenxi 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, so the concern here is what - HN disagrees with a decision made by an ADA organiser at a conference related to whether budgets and administration is appropriate in conference scope?

They got to have their say. Editorial published, made international news. I imagine all the conference attendees read it if they cared. Seems like a non-issue. Can we find a real problem for me to read up on instead? I'm having fun I suppose but I'm not seeing why we need to be all up in their business.

I bet less than 10% of the HN people who read the article even get to the "Misguided Brushes of a Pen..." editorial to find out what their complaint is.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> the concern here is what

ADA is violating its own code of conduct to suppress an article that calls out potentially-illegal misappropriation of diabetes-research funding by OMB and HHS, funding which falls in a results-oriented tradition and/or cuts off strong candidates for future therapies.

> Seems like a non-issue

Half of the front page usually is. You’re engaging with this content, so there is clearly something going on.

Personally, I flagged excerpts of the article to one of my Senator’s staffers. They weren’t aware of it, and will be surfacing the article to their boss, a doctor, tomorrow. If HHS is fucking around with Congressional appropriations on a healthcare issue germane to our state, they probably shouldn’t have gone out of their way to draw attention to it during an appropriation cycle.

roenxi an hour ago | parent [-]

> ADA is violating its own code of conduct to suppress an article

They published the article. That is the opposite of suppressing it.

> Personally, I flagged excerpts of the article to one of my Senator’s staffers.

Sounds like this article is indeed quite politically charged then? We're dealing with a hot potato here that has little to do with the actual science of diabetes and is going to cause random United Statesmen on the internet to start emailing their Senator. If you can't connect the dots with how that might reasonably be seen as inappropriate fare for a diabetes conference then you're probably going to figure it out later after a little reflection. It is likely that the conference organisers want to encourage technical discussion in a polite low-politics environment.

JumpCrisscross 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> that has little to do with the actual science of diabetes

Not the takeaway I got from the article. They describe specific research and specific dollar-drawdown amounts.

The tools of science are just as relevant as the science per se to the process of science. I may be extrapolating from the astronomical circles I’m more familiar with. But folks debating telescopes and whatnot is commonplace, political, and absolutely germane. In many of those cases, simply handing out an editorial wasn’t the norm—you’d have straight-up advocacy going on. The idea that a conference organizer would eject someone for distributing a published paper would be absurd.

> likely that the conference organisers want to encourage technical discussion in a polite low-politics environment

They invited a political appointee to speak!

iamnothere 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

“When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”

This looks like the shoe-on-the-other-foot version of what we saw during Covid and BLM. I didn’t like it then, and I don’t like it now. Whatever happened to just ignoring the guy handing out contrarian leaflets? As long as he’s not yelling at or berating people it shouldn’t be a problem. The paper does seem relevant to conference attendees, even if it’s political in nature.

trehalose 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> They got to have their say. Editorial published, made international news. I imagine all the conference attendees read it if they cared. Seems like a non-issue.

If it's such a non-issue, why should they have been forcefully ejected from the premises over it? And why do you feel so strongly that they should have been?

roenxi 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

> And why do you feel so strongly that they should have been?

I don't. It makes literally no difference to me; especially since I've skimmed through the actual paper they were handing out anyway.

I'm just trying to figure out if there is actually an issue here or whether we're just having an anti-Trump session. And I'm arguing with JCC which is its own reward.

JumpCrisscross 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I'm arguing with JCC which is its own reward

I don’t think any of your comments deserve to be downvoted, for what it’s worth.

roenxi 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

The downvoters are their own mysterious nonverbal community. Most of the time I don't see them as part of the conversation.